I've Hit A Crossroads With My Magic

Jul 16, 2008
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Really? I live in Austin and there's the only thing I've heard of is a Magic show at ACL fest. No magic shops or anything to my knowledge... of course, Texas is a big place, so the magic must be elsewhere.

I almost think William Draven's post should be a sticky :D In fact, all the info in this thread is useful!

There is a pretty good magic shop very close to you in Cedar Park called Texas Magic Supply. There's also word that the Austin IBM or SAM ring is one of the top five most attended in the WORLD.

As to no magic being in Colorado, I'm not sure what town the thread starter lives in, but parts of Colorado have a pretty vibrant magic community. There are IBM rings in Fort Collins and Denver which host numerous lectures throughout the year (you could drive to these even if pretty far away for a treat).

Magic in the Rockies is a convention hosted every year. This year it is in Fort Collins again on September 10-13. Headliners include (but not nearly limited to) David Regal and Luke Jermay.

There are tons of learning and networking opportunities if you look for them.
 
May 3, 2008
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There is a pretty good magic shop very close to you in Cedar Park called Texas Magic Supply. There's also word that the Austin IBM or SAM ring is one of the top five most attended in the WORLD.

As to no magic being in Colorado, I'm not sure what town the thread starter lives in, but parts of Colorado have a pretty vibrant magic community. There are IBM rings in Fort Collins and Denver which host numerous lectures throughout the year (you could drive to these even if pretty far away for a treat).

Magic in the Rockies is a convention hosted every year. This year it is in Fort Collins again on September 10-13. Headliners include (but not nearly limited to) David Regal and Luke Jermay.

There are tons of learning and networking opportunities if you look for them.

Really? I'm from Fort Collins. I attended the Magic in the Rockies but only the show because the convention is closed off to the public. And I had no clue there were IBM in Fort Collins.
 
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Texas is actually a huge magic capital. TONS of magic in Texas.

-Doug

Not really! Trust me, I would know, I live here. If there is it would all be in Mid-North TX. I Live DEEP south. Also there is only 5 people at the most in the ring I am in.
 
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Magic is nearly everything for me. I'm a teenager and am really beginning to put some thought into my future. I really don't want to be stuck in a tiny cubicle punching numbers into a computer all day. I want to do something I really love like magic or guitar playing. I think the thing I have the most skill and passion in is magic. This seems like the best option for me however I have some questions.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me. I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area. I have no friends interested in magic. There are no magic shops, competitions, etc. in my area AT ALL. I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything. I'm really starting to question choosing to focus on magic as my career.
Should I focus mainly on something more attainable and just sticks with magic for fun on the side? I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable. The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

ANY input would be great.
Thanks,
Charlie

The best thing to do is go to college get a degree, just in case the magic thing dosen't work out. You always need a back up plan and in todays world you are going to need a degree to put food on the table. Not trying to crush your dreams, but please have a back up plane, please go to college and get a degree.

-T.J.
 
I realized that in my previous response I was vague if not out right responsive to specific questions you had asked. Allow me to be a little more direct with this reply.

How much does a career in magic actually pay for most people?

I've heard it said that you may not make a million dollars but you'll live as if you had it.

I'm beginning to feel quite discouraged. There are hundreds of thousands of magicians in the world...

Quantity does not always mean quality. With magic you have several distinct teirs in which a person could fall within.

You have Hobbiest, who collect and may perform but maintain a normal 9 to 5 job, you have enthusiasts who will buy what ever the newest product is, but don't make a living at the art, you are amateurs who may perform paid gigs once and a while, they may want to be something more but either do to lack of skill or experience haven't yet, and you have professionals, who make their bread and butter doing this.

The good news is the ratio of working magician to someone who just does magic is so much in favor of the working pro that you can breathe easily.

This art really is accepting of all types.

...the majority of them are probably more skilled or privileged than me.

No, not really. They are just finding their own ways, much like you'll have to do.

I live in the middle of Colorado and have NOTHING magic related at all in my area.

As others here have pointed out, you have a golden oppertunity here! If nothing exists MAKE IT! If you build it, they will come.

I can't go to any magic shows or try out for the Magic Castle or anything.

Sometimes you have to go to the mountain, the mountain can't always come to you. If you want to make it in this business, you're going to make sacrafices. What exactly those are, and what they mean to you is something for you to figure out.

I mean would a career in magic even pay the bills?

With time, and dedication, a little luck, and a bit of determination; yes, but expect to starve for the first few years.

I would give ANYTHING to be a famous magician but I don't want to shoot for the un-attainable.

Be careful what you wish for. If the only reason you are in this is for fame, fortune, and glory then you're in it for all the wrong reasons. Fame, fortune, and glory are by-products of good entertainment and a good entertainer. They come as a result of time spent and effort made. If you seek them in any other way you are setting yourself up for ultimate defeat. Focus on making the people happy for a while, trust me, fame will find you.

Famous is also a pretty generic term too. You could be famous in a small town yet unkown to the world. I'd redefine your goal to have a more specific meaning for sake of clarity.

The odds of that happening seem to be very slim, however, because of all the others with more skill or privelages than me.

The odds are what ever you want them to be. If you word it like that, and believe your own words then you've created what is known as a self fulfilling prophecy. Basically, you're setting your own self up for failure. Pick your tail up from between your legs, hold your head up high and challenge everyone for your chance to be seen and heard (just do it respectfully).

Your future is in your hands. You have the tools you need. If you don't then make them. I'm not going to tell you to go to school, because school isn't for everyone. I'm not going to tell you to get a stable job that makes decent money as a fall back. Not everyone is cut out for a suit, tie and desk. But I will tell you to follow your heart, and be willing to accept the things that come with the decisions you make, be they for the better or for the worse.

As always, the best to you.
Draven
 
Jun 12, 2009
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For starters, look up the Mile High Magicians Society in Denver (meets 2nd Thursday of each month), or IBM Ring 250 in Fort Collins, or SAM 170 in Colorado Springs.

Reinke Brothers in Littleton runs a decent magic shop. If you can connect with Rich or Derek they'll help connect you with other magicians in the area.

The Wizard's Chest (Cherry Creek) is much smaller, but if you can connect with Doug (works on Saturday's only) he'll be glad to help.

Also every Saturday at Perkin's (Colorado Blvd. & Buchtel, in Denver) the Magic Roundtable meets from 1:00 to 3:30 (look for the table in the private room, a group of about 20 people usually).

And be sure Google the Theater of Dreams in Castle Rock, where Joe Givan runs his magic theater. A different world-class performer generally every month. I've seen John Carney, Eric Mead, Stephen Bargatze, Eric Buss, and Dan Sperry at the Theater of Dreams.

Magic in the Rockies has already been mentioned. Find their website and sign up. It's well worth the $170 - $200 for 4 days. This year, Asi Wind, Luke Jermay, Charlie Frye, Rick Maue, David Williamson, Arthur Trace, David Regal, Jon Armstrong, Bill Abbott, and Wayne Dobson. Plus you'll meet hundreds of other Colorado magicians.

On another note. Yes, it's hard making a living doing magic in Colorado. Because magic has low visibility in Colorado, it is seldom considered by meeting and event planners. That means that you have to take the initiative. You have to contact them and convince them that magic will work for their event. Don't wait for the phone to ring.

The real work is getting the bookings. I work about 60 hours a week doing mailings, phone calls, and auditions. On average it takes me about 40 hours of work to book an $800 show. I was making 3x that money when I was working in a cubicle.

And it's more stressful. When the economy went bad last year, corporations put a freeze on spending. December is usually my busiest month of the year, but my bookings were flat. January was dreadful. I didn't know when, if ever, people would start buying again. I'm glad to say that things are improving.

My recommendation would be to get a job in sales. Not retail sales, where the customers come to you, but a genuine sales job where you prospect for clients, pitch your product or service, and get paid on commission.

Make no mistake about it, if you want to be a full-time professional magician, you're signing up for a job in sales. (Magic just happens to be what you are selling.)

If you enjoy sales and find that you're good at it. Then there's no reason you couldn't sell magic, and make a living doing it.

Actually, there is something else to consider, and that is: Do people like you? Do people enjoy your company when you're not performing magic? Do you make people feel good? Are people glad to see you? Do you carry yourself with confidence?

If not, you'll be working under a huge handicap, because laypeople can't tell a good magician from a great magician. But they'll know right away if they like you or not. And if they don't like you, then the best magic in the world won't make them hire you.

Two cents worth of advice.

Gregg
 
Mar 25, 2008
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Hey Buddy.

I want to ask you a serious question.

What do you mean by "famous" magician?
There are a very small handful of magicians who are "famous" to anyone other than magicians or magic fans.
If by "famous", you mean having other magicians recognize you, then that can be done as an amateur.

However... if by "famous" you actually mean "successful" and "financially stable", well... those goals are met in magic the same way they're met by any small business owner: hard work, hard work, and sound business decisions. Followed by more hard work.

I grew up in the middle of nowhere Arkansas. If you think Colorado's sparse, come visit down here. Yet, three professional magicians came out of this same area in the past 20 years. We're all full time pros, and all making comfortable livings. One, Nathan Burton, has even earned his own show as a vegas headliner! That should really be encouraging!

I'll probably never do a casino show, but I'm living very comfortable back here in Arkansas, because I moved to an area where three very large corporations were taking off and I wanted to do corporate magic. You won't see my face on the cover of MAGIC magazine, and I've never had a tv special, but I do a LOT of shows every year and I get paid well. And, since I'm not in LA or Las Vegas, I can buy a house twice as big for half the money. Ask Katie about real estate in the desert! The cost of living is so much lower here I can live just as well without making as much money.

My advice would be:
1. DON'T move to LA or Las Vegas without a job lined up ahead of time. Those are tough places to make a living. If you have some success, and that's the direction you want to go, then make that decision later when the time is right. Don't go expecting to be "discovered".
2. As you put an act/show together, save up some money and hire a performer you like and respect to consult for you. I wish I had done this much earlier. You'd be surprised how helpful this is.
3. Study how to operate a small business. Seriously. Not just classes, but SHADOW a successful small business operator. ANY successful small business operator. Your biz knowhow will eventually make or break you one day.

Don't be discouraged if this is what your passion is! Know that it will be difficult and trying, but THAT'S THE FUN PART!!! If it wasn't difficult there wouldn't be any sense of accomplishment.

Hoping for the best for you!!!!
 
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