Reactions to D&D Tricks?

As the title states, what type of reactions do you get from performing Dan and Dave tricks for live audiences? I myself have never performed any for laymen although I do own the Trilogy.

it just seems to me tha these tricks are too quick and flashy to be understood and appreciated by a laymen.

What are your thoughts and personal experiences?


-Dan
 
Feb 27, 2008
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As the title states, what type of reactions do you get from performing Dan and Dave tricks for live audiences? I myself have never performed any for laymen although I do own the Trilogy.

it just seems to me tha these tricks are too quick and flashy to be understood and appreciated by a laymen.




-Dan

Because you actually have to speak to your audience to get them interested in what you have to show them.
 

b+w

Dec 10, 2008
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Depends which you do. For example, the queens usually gets me a "Wow", like the spectator is very impressed at my skill. When I perform Hoffzy Osbourne, I either get silence and disbelief or jumping around and shouting.
This type of reaction also applies to Hand to Mouth, although that has been around for ages.
I also like using the Molecule 2 One card production because it is so flashy, and like bam, your card is now face up in the deck.

One of the tricks which doesn't really get great reactions for me is the collectors trick. Sure, you can tell they're impressed but it's kind of like "wow, you found my cards really nicely" not like "Oh my god you're a witch!" type reaction if you get me.

To be honest, I really enjoy Dan and Dave's tricks because they are fun to practice and are great openers to start off your routine. The queens or Tivo 2.0 usually acts as my opener because they are so quick, but also very visual to get your spectators hooked as you begin to get on with your routine (if indeed you perform magic in a type of atmosphere where you'd use a routine for example, table hopping).

These tricks are the best I think for a loud atmosphere, like a nightclub or a bar. And because they are so visual, you can totally transcend that language barrier. :)

All in all, practice these effects well, because even if you don't perform the actual effects, there are plenty of different sleights and controls which you can use in other effects.
If you like incorporating flourishes into tricks like I love to do a lot, then these tricks are really great to learn and practice.

Hope this helps.

-Ben
 

b+w

Dec 10, 2008
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Thats about it with any purely visual eye candy card tricks.

There is patter that you can add to these tricks. Just because Dan and Dave don't really use patter in these performances does not stop you from creating or own patter. There is nothing wrong with visual card tricks, they've just started getting a bad press because no one these days can be bothered to come up with patter.

-Ben
 
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Thats about it with any purely visual eye candy card tricks.

Agreed. i love patter and good routines but there are times were you just cant use patter. Thats when I use some of their tricks.

Other than that, I wouldnt do them in a regular performance.


One thing is for sure, I love the way that the bucks uses the sleights in the tricks, the usage of the gravity half pass in Hedbergs peak is so original :).
 
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There is nothing wrong with visual card tricks, they've just started getting a bad press because no one these days can be bothered to come up with patter.

*Visual tricks oblige spectators to burn your hands, even if you get away with the trick, if your next trick need misdirection or has intricate patter, well sorry for you because spectators are just going to be watching your hands.

*Visual tricks somehow tips spectators that there is sleight of hand involved, and I dont want to get the reply of "wha! you present your tricks as real magic?"

*The technique has to be perfect in order to look good, wich a lot of the "flashy tricksters" lack.

I would love to hear your patter for the tricks of Dan and dave.

Bash me for saying this, but for flashy tricks I would actually prefer Brian Tudor routines, they are longer, they make sense (hedbergs peak wtf?) and look good.

But definetly, flashy tricks and routines are for lousy places only.
 

b+w

Dec 10, 2008
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*Visual tricks oblige spectators to burn your hands, even if you get away with the trick, if your next trick need misdirection or has intricate patter, well sorry for you because spectators are just going to be watching your hands.

*Visual tricks somehow tips spectators that there is sleight of hand involved, and I dont want to get the reply of "wha! you present your tricks as real magic?"

*The technique has to be perfect in order to look good, wich a lot of the "flashy tricksters" lack.

I would love to hear your patter for the tricks of Dan and dave.

Bash me for saying this, but for flashy tricks I would actually prefer Brian Tudor routines, they are longer, they make sense (hedbergs peak wtf?) and look good.

But definetly, flashy tricks and routines are for lousy places only.

Then that's just your style man. I like to add some flourishes and things into my routine, but also a nice degree of patter to go with it. Don't bash me because I can come up with patter for Dan and Dave tricks, and that my style is different.

-Ben
 
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Then that's just your style man. I like to add some flourishes and things into my routine, but also a nice degree of patter to go with it. Don't bash me because I can come up with patter for Dan and Dave tricks, and that my style is different.

-Ben

Im not bashing you, I just said why I dont do flashy tricks on a regular basis.

O btw, I would love to hear your patter for it.
 
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Those tricks are amazing for an audience. Be more selective with them, choose the right ones for you and perform them.
I want to perform Tivo 2.0, but I can't do it...
 

b+w

Dec 10, 2008
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Im not bashing you, I just said why I dont do flashy tricks on a regular basis.

O btw, I would love to hear your patter for it.

No problem, I didn't mean bashing I just meant that you made "flashy tricksters" or whatever sound like a bad thing. Clearly these tricks don't really apply to your performance style, but to me they do so we're obviously going to disagree on these tricks.

Anyway, patter for Dan and Dave tricks.
- For the queens, I like to use a story similar to somewhere I read on the forums by Aaron Fisher. The plot is baically you're at the casino and the queens represent a sum of money. You talk about how you are losing money, and then bam, you hit the jackpot and all four queens are back.

- For Swiss made, I basically perform the Time Machine plot by Steve Freeman with the Ace of spades as the time machine. I would usually perform the origonal version of this, and then follow it up by saying, "Watch this time I'll do it face up so you can see what's exactly happening." Clipshift AOS back to the top after the change.

- For Sixty Nine, I talk about how the sixes have been having a pub crawl and have come out legless after 69 pints of Guiness (gotta get the 69 in there somewhere :) ) Basically, the drunk sixes are dizzy and begin to turn into the nines.

- For Fission for Aces, I talk about the way Nuclear Fission works and the splitting of atoms. Makes me sound like a physicist aswell as a magician lol.

-Autocatch, I don't really refer to it as a magic trick but more as a stunt. I may even get a spectator to "Have a go" to demonstrate how "hard" it is to catch a card in a spring between the two red queens, little do they know the actual trick in order to acheive this.

- For subway, I actually use the name in talking about the secret that subway make their sandwiches.

These are a few ways that I use patter in Dan and Dave's tricks. For some of them like Osh Negash B'gosh, I like to maintain that flourishy style about it. This also applies to a few other like encore and portal. Spectaors don't always need to be told a story in order to enjoy a trick, people are allowed to appreciate a trick for what it is, even if they know it is sleight of hand.
Furthermore to what has been said, I don't not perform a visual effect or sleight just because they may "burn my hands in future." I can deal with a bit of hand watching, you just have to be good enough at misdirection which I use a lot in my performances and routines.

The trilogy was one of the greatest magic and cardistry DVDs I ever bought, hand has given me a very good knowledge of sleights and other sources where I can look at more.

-Ben
 
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Thanks man, when I said that I wanted to hear your patter, I really wanted to hear it because I was curious, the patter that you have sounds good and enterteining.

The subway plot made me laugh.
 
Who actually performs knows that your pattering/appearance has a great influence.
Having that said, subway is a great trick and always baffles people.

I don't do a lot of DnD stuff in public since I am building my own repetoire but here are some things I noticed of DnD's repetoire.

Collectors: Not everytime, but a few times they weren't impressed because they said I had a set up. I did get better reactions when I did a few shuffles first, I also have to say that I only performed this effect about 10 - 15 times in public so that is my only source.

Subway: great reaction, but as Dan said in AndthenSome: hand it over the spectator and it get's a better reaction.

The Queens: It doesn't really sink in enough I suppose, I see it more as a magician to magician type of effect but that of course is purely my own opinion.
 
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As the title states, what type of reactions do you get from performing Dan and Dave tricks for live audiences? I myself have never performed any for laymen although I do own the Trilogy.

it just seems to me tha these tricks are too quick and flashy to be understood and appreciated by a laymen.

What are your thoughts and personal experiences?


-Dan

If I do a trick like Tivo 2.0, I get a good reaction. Honestly, every time I do Deja Vu, everyone says "I don't get it."
 
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The thing is for me,I dont like the use of 'plots' for a card trick.
Time machines and THAT form of physics explanations doesnt fit with me.
And besides,some tricks are always better done silently.There is a power in silence.
 
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I have performed some D&D tricks in front of live audiences in the past.

It all depends on how you present it. Someone can take a trick, and show it to an audience and get a terrible reaction while someone else can take that trick, show it to the same audience and get a GREAT reaction.

It's all about performance... For all decent tricks. And whether or not you like D&D, their work is at least decent.
 
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