FIGHT CLUB 10th Anniversary

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To honor one of the most "magical" films to ever come out.
Heres to you Fight Club.

For those that dont know much about it.

Fight Club was a love it or hate it enterprise. It went straight to the heart of the schizophrenic nature of society, not only exposing it but positively wallowing in it. It tool delight in trashing consumer culture and western values and spitting in the face of the collective zeitgeist.
It was only natural that it invoked the most intense reactions of both admiration and loathing in audiences.
Fight club was not a movie that ingratiated itself easily. Probably the most virtuoso and passionate nihilist work ever made, it went beyond nihilism,beyond a mere denunciation of values, into an orgiastic celebration of their absence. Though it was smug and self-satisfied in its contempt for society,and even for humanity itself,it never stopped to moralizing about it. It was a reactionary work(in that it posited only negative responses to a negative situation). Even at a pinch a fascist one(it appeared to advocate blind force as solution).
But those were superficial(political) readings of a film that was at heart purely anarchic,hence beyond political readings. Fight Club advocated chaos as the only response to a irredeemable (dis)order, and entropy as the inevitable answer to an evolutionary plan that had an all-too-plainly come off the rails.

Fight club was deep,but it brought its depths to the surface and put them out in the open; at times it seemed simple-minded,facile, even asinine. As a sociological study of a culture on the brink of collapse, it hardly offered much by way of revelatory insights. It was far too extremist to qualify as a serious inquiry into societys ills. It was a fantasy work,and as such, closer to a nihilists "its a wonderful life" than to a "battle of algiers".
As much as "the matrix" though in a totally different manner,Fight Club took audiences through the looking glass and striped them of the luxury of objectivity or distance, of discerning between right and wrong or, for that matter, real and unreal. It provided audiences with the schizophrenic experience from the inside out, adeptly-with low cunning and artistry- turning the act of moviegoing int a simulation of schizophrenia.
The ideas of Fight Club were so fresh, vital, and unique-so alive- that it was as if the ideas themselves created and directed at the means of their expression, as if the ideas had made the movie, as a vehicle to travel into the public psyche. Idea is KING in any artform,and even, at times, in the world of business too. An individual artist inspired by an idea-an idea which, out of laziness or conceit,he considers his own- is inspired above all to communicate the essence of that idea, and to this end sets out to create a vehicle for it. That essence-if the artist is successful- is what the audience leaves with.
Not only the movie(book,painting,etc) but the artist himself,then, is the means by which ideas-the alpha and omega of art, there in the beginning and there in the end-cross over into the world of form.Fight club embodied just this,just as 'the matrix' embodied it; they were works that transcended the means of production and attained unprecedented artistic ends.
 

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what on earth does this have to do with magic?

The same principles and ideals that were expressed in the movie are magic. They're what make magic real. Magic is supposed to be a direct smack in the face to make you look away from reality, which is a main idea in the movie. Or, rather, to confront reality and punch it until it bleeds.

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OK... And what does any of that have to do with magic?

As far as I can tell--nothing.

Am I missing something?
 
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The same principles and ideals that were expressed in the movie are magic. They're what make magic real. Magic is supposed to be a direct smack in the face to make you look away from reality, which is a main idea in the movie. Or, rather, to confront reality and punch it until it bleeds.

Ian

Thank you,I was fixing to write something similar before. Though I thought it was real evident in my first post about fight club
 
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The same principles and ideals that were expressed in the movie are magic. They're what make magic real. Magic is supposed to be a direct smack in the face to make you look away from reality, which is a main idea in the movie. Or, rather, to confront reality and punch it until it bleeds.

Ian

OK... I think this is a bit of a stretch.

I haven't seen Fight Club in quite a while, and it's been longer since I read the book, but I don't remember it being anything about confronting reality. I think anyone who's read the book or watched the movie (closely) is pretty much in agreement that the movie is all about power--in government, sex, self, etc.

I'm open to new interpretations, but I think you're a bit too assuming with your take on the book/film. I don't see it at all. Perhaps you can elaborate?
 

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OK... I think this is a bit of a stretch.

I haven't seen Fight Club in quite a while, and it's been longer since I read the book, but I don't remember it being anything about confronting reality. I think anyone who's read the book or watched the movie (closely) is pretty much in agreement that the movie is all about power--in government, sex, self, etc.

I'm open to new interpretations, but I think you're a bit too assuming with your take on the book/film. I don't see it at all. Perhaps you can elaborate?

In Fight Club, they created their own reality to destroy everyone else's.

Isn't that what magicians do, last time I checked?

Ian
 
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OK... I think this is a bit of a stretch.

I haven't seen Fight Club in quite a while, and it's been longer since I read the book, but I don't remember it being anything about confronting reality. I think anyone who's read the book or watched the movie (closely) is pretty much in agreement that the movie is all about power--in government, sex, self, etc.

I'm open to new interpretations, but I think you're a bit too assuming with your take on the book/film. I don't see it at all. Perhaps you can elaborate?

my interpretation(and jason horselys and pauline kaels) are up on the first post.
The film is what it is. more than just about power.
 
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As I said,Fight club takes people through the looking glass. and stripped them of the luxury of objectivty or,of discerning between right and wrong or(most importantly) real and unreal.
Fight club diagnoses societies condition. A society that is beyond the pale.
How can this not relate to magic?
Why does magic have to be boxed into something that is pure style over substance?(magic being notorious nowadays for lacking any bite(substance) and pure style/technique.)

Fight Club was a surrealist satire entertainment.That the only thing to be done to improve consumer-crazed society was to dynamite it.
I sure as hell found many ways to bring this message to my performances.Just takes imagination and kutspah..or whatever.
 

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Although Fight Club is definitely on my list of epic movies, I'm not entirely sure how this relates to magic - I'm going to go ahead and close it.

Feel free to PM me should you have any questions, comments, or concerns. :)
 
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