Invisible Turnover pass the same as Hermann?

[scarecrow1]

Hey guys! I was reading ECT and I came across the Invisible Tun-Over Pass. Is this the same as the Hermann pass?

Or is the Hermann pass a more perfected method? I'm not familiar with the mechanics of the Hermann pass, but it looks similar to the one described in ECT. Is the one in ECT worthwhile (my guess would be it is).


Cheers

 

[JD]

I use the hermann pass every day. It's a real good pass. I haven't read ECT so I can't help you. But I just watched some vids on youtube of it and I think it might be the same but I'm probably wrong.

 

[magicmaster]

I believe the Invisible Turnover Pass is just a Hermann Pass with the added turnover, thus making it a variation on the Hermann. The actually Hermann pass does not involve any kind of turnover action. The added turnover makes it, in my opinion, smoother, easier and better on the angles. I use the turnover pass in almost every performance I do, and it goes by without getting noticed. I do the classic Hermann when I'm performing for say, two to three people.

 

[scarecrow1]

I believe the Invisible Turnover Pass is just a Hermann Pass with the added turnover, thus making it a variation on the Hermann. The actually Hermann pass does not involve any kind of turnover action. The added turnover makes it, in my opinion, smoother, easier and better on the angles. I use the turnover pass in almost every performance I do, and it goes by without getting noticed. I do the classic Hermann when I'm performing for say, two to three people.

Thanks! I'll be working on the description in ECT then.

 

[RealityOne]

I believe the Invisible Turnover Pass is just a Hermann Pass with the added turnover, thus making it a variation on the Hermann. The actually Hermann pass does not involve any kind of turnover action. The added turnover makes it, in my opinion, smoother, easier and better on the angles. I use the turnover pass in almost every performance I do, and it goes by without getting noticed. I do the classic Hermann when I'm performing for say, two to three people.

Exactly. The Hermann pass is essentially the opposite of the classic pass in terms of how the packets are transposed. The Hermann Turnover pass is the same movement as the turnover pass but is done while turning the deck over (presumably under of guise of showing the bottom card). Hugard and Braue's Invisible Turnover Pass is a variation on the Hermann Turnover Pass.

 

[scarecrow1]

Exactly. The Hermann pass is essentially the opposite of the classic pass in terms of how the packets are transposed. The Hermann Turnover pass is the same movement as the turnover pass but is done while turning the deck over (presumably under of guise of showing the bottom card). Hugard and Braue's Invisible Turnover Pass is a variation on the Hermann Turnover Pass.

Thanks for the clarification!

Which pass do you consider better in overall appearance and mechanics? The Hermann Turnover pass, or the Invisible Turnover pass?

 

[vpatanio]

A cover that I use for the Invisible Turnover Pass from ECT is to look at my watch...this provides motivation for the turn over if you don't have motivation already built into whatever patter you are using...I am sure this is not original, but it is worth mentioning.

-Vinny

 

[vpatanio]

Oh yeah, and if you wanna read more about the invisible turnover pass, it is also explained in The Card Magic of LePaul on page 29

-Vinny

 

[TheatreHead]

Thanks for the clarification!

Which pass do you consider better in overall appearance and mechanics? The Hermann Turnover pass, or the Invisible Turnover pass?

Depends on the situation.

 

[scarecrow1]

Depends on the situation.

I suppose that's true.

 

[fridoliina]

From what i can remember Darwin Ortiz has some great work on this move called The Ortiz shift, worth to look into if you like the move.