Practicing - "How not to do Mistakes"

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Nov 14, 2012
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My name is Mr.presidigitation but I'm sure you already know that,
In this thread I will tell you why everything I produce is rid of mistakes and errors.
Essentially how to achieve an outstanding level.

Ok, dear Mr. Presidigitation,
I have a question regarding to a popular subject. Imagine: me ( regular magician) performing a trick that doesn't work 100% and cannot be viewed from all angles for a second or maybe third time ( which is necessary ). Spectators are kind a tough and would make laugh of me if I fail anyways (Let's say they're former prisoners). What should I do in this case? how not to fail? Any advice?
A really appreciate your hard work and will to share your experience.

First of all I applaud you sir,
You are intelligent enough to understand and appreciate opportunity when it presents itself to you.
You understand that it is not a right but a privilege to have someone like me posting here.

As for your question.
In other words you are asking me how it is that I never do mistakes.
Easy, Practice.
Regular humans would have you believe that 'practice makes perfect'.
Essentially they are under the impression that rehearsing a move over and over will allow them to master the move or improve on it.
However that idea is farse.
You will never.... eeever reach the expert performance level by merely "practicing".
In order to perform something and not only execute it well eg no mistakes you need to have talent.
Good news, it can also be achieved even if you don't have raw talent.
It has to do with how you approach the practice rather than merely dumb repetition.
I am not going to teach you how to practice.

I invite you to read this book if you want to learn more about the subject.
http://www.geoffcolvin.com/books/talent-is-overrated-by-geoff-colvin/

People are easily satisfied.
They do something see it sorta work and they foolishly believe that they are done.
People do lots of things and they do it well,
but they will never do it at an outstanding level.
They don't know what that is due to ignorance.
If you are performing magic this is not an excuse.
You know what the mechanics should look like.
Now the secret to performing at my level is this.
Practice does not make perfect.
Excellent practice makes perfect.
You have to make sure that you are practicing something under the right conditions with the right technique.
Dissect a move and approach it step by step by step.

Another element to avoid mistakes.
If you perfect garbage you will end up with perfect garbage.
Specifically speaking you have to give value to everything u wish to learn.
You want to spend your time working on something that will always pay off,
You don't want to waste your time working on garbage.

Essentially I do not allow mistakes.
1.By understanding how to efficiently practice something.
2.By understanding that garbage tricks are garbage and avoiding them.
3.By understanding that doing flawed tricks flaws you

In your case you want to perform a trick that will not work 100% of the time.
It is an angle sensitive trick so the probability of it working is actually around 85% in preset conditions,
And it diminishes with the more people you have and the less control of the conditions you have.
I propose you analyse this and understand that a trick that wont always work will not always work.
It is as simple as that.
If you want to avoid mistakes you avoid doing something that is mistake prone.
In other words don't do that trick and instead perform a superior trick that is not angle sensitive.
Of course I am not afraid or risks.
I can perform an angle sensitive trick to an audience watching all angles.
The reason I can do this is because I am a superior being.
Actually I would find a better way to do it.

You have 3 choices.

1.Don't do the trick
2.Set the conditions
3.Do a superior trick.


You're welcome.

How do you practice?
In this thread lets discuss correct practice and how to be a "perfect" being.
 
Nov 14, 2012
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You think you made a “clever” comment, boy?
I have no interest in spending time correcting grammatical on the internet by design.
Also I was merely mirroring the way I speak irl
That is, without pausing, every, single time, I make a different, point.
Run on sentences are in this case correct.
Pretty poor effort to one up me.
1/10
 
Nov 4, 2012
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In other words you are asking me how it is that I never do mistakes.

Hello Mr.Presidigitation,
I think what ifanoctopuscouldpalm is trying to point out, is that you saying "I never do mistakes" is a mistake, you should say "I never make mistakes" instead.

Thanks for a good try though Mr. Presidigitation!
 
Aug 16, 2011
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First of all I applaud you sir,
You are intelligent enough to understand and appreciate opportunity when it presents itself to you.
You understand that it is not a right but a privilege to have someone like me posting here.

We are so privileged to have someone as great as yourself posting back to us. How ever can we repay you? :rolleyes:

Also, for laughs, Mr. Presidigitation does not seem to understand that the question he was answering taken from this post (http://forums.theory11.com/showthre...t-Form-of-quot-Magic-quot&p=396489#post396489) << hilarious btw, was written as a joke question, rather than a serious one. Have fun trolling Mr. Presidigitation.
 
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Hello Mr.Presidigitation,
I think what ifanoctopuscouldpalm is trying to point out, is that you saying "I never do mistakes" is a mistake, you should say "I never make mistakes" instead.

Thanks for a good try though Mr. Presidigitation!

Confirmed reading comprehension fail,
I meant what I said exactly the way you read it.
I never DO mistakes.
Everything I DO is carefully chosen.
Everything I DO is perfect because I avoid DOING things that are imperfect.
Learn to read and understand the context of sentences plz.

We are so privileged to have someone as great as yourself posting back to us. How ever can we repay you?

Correct,
Don't worry about it.
You're welcome
 
Aug 16, 2011
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shlama 'alikh! ana Darihush malek malkaya paresh rabba. lehan fana yad'at.

As long as you're taking this opportunity to continue expounding on your painfully unfunny joke, I'll take this opportunity to point everyone to an old, much better thread that I wrote.

Your post in your old thread is AMAZING Steerpike, great job!
 
Nov 4, 2012
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Confirmed reading comprehension fail,
I meant what I said exactly the way you read it.
I never DO mistakes.
Sorry my friend, but you are wrong, you may know magic, but "I never DO mistakes" that's just being foolish.
do is used to express daily activities or jobs:

do the dishes
do homework
do the laundry

or for general activities:

what are you doing tonight?

make is often used to express the idea of construction or creation:

make dinner
make a dress
 
Jan 1, 2009
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Back in Time
You know there is nothing wrong with screwing up an effect or routine. Ask any performer and they will tell you that they've had things go wrong during acts and effects. Why don't people mention it or remember the screw ups? Because most of the smart performers know how to recover without alerting anybody to what has happened. And even then, there are those that have screwed up and everybody knew about it. Yet they continue to have great success in life and other careers.

As the old saying goes. "It's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get it hit and keep moving forward."
 
Nov 14, 2012
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shlama 'alikh! ana Darihush malek malkaya paresh rabba. lehan fana yad'at.

As long as you're taking this opportunity to continue expounding on your painfully unfunny joke, I'll take this opportunity to point everyone to an old, much better thread that I wrote.

>thinking you are Darius

Hmm that is not good enough,
In fact that is mediocre advice.
I recommend you do some more reading and polish your thoughts.
A sea of words do not help to make your ideas more valid.
Also In this thread we are discussing practice in regards to learning a particular trick.
What you said in 20000 words is "don't get bored practicing have fun,get the most out of training!"
Instead of the adequate response.
Practice the right stuff , correctly and efficiently.
 
Nov 14, 2012
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Sorry my friend, but you are wrong, you may know magic, but "I never DO mistakes" that's just being foolish.
do is used to express daily activities or jobs:

do the dishes
do homework
do the laundry

or for general activities:

what are you doing tonight?

make is often used to express the idea of construction or creation:

make dinner
make a dress

Looks like you are ignorant about the fact that definition = creation
I don't DO mistakes - Angle sensitive tricks are mistakes, but which one? -
I don't DO the classic pass (general)

Magicians DO tricks
Am I gonna have to use some visual aids?

I don't DO mistakes - Angle sensitive tricks are mistakes -
I don't Perform- The act of doing - Mistakes.
I don't execute mistakes (tricks that fail)

Mistakes = - Angle sensitive tricks are mistakes -
Like I said, reading comprehension fail.

'Do' is for General Ideas
'Make' is for specific activities

You're welcome.

Did I ask?

You're welcome.
 
Nov 14, 2012
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Yes, yes, your grammar and vocabulary are perfectly cromulent and we must embiggen our grasp of the language. Whatever, dude.

Yes, You can point out what you read.
Good Job

In an attempt to steer the conversation back to Practicing.
Someone tell me how much time they spent working on a particular move.
How do you know you have achieved an elevated execution of the move.
 
Aug 17, 2010
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'Do' is for General Ideas
'Make' is for specific activities

Can you cite a reference? It sounds as though you're just making up definitions.

To "do as you are told" is very specific. You can 'make up anything" which would be unspecified.

Generally, the transitive verb "make" is used to mean "to cause to exist or happen, to cause to be."

Do, as a transitive verb is usually used to mean 'perform' or 'execute.'

A mistake is caused to happen; it cannot be performed (or it wouldn't be a mistake by definition). This is where I, and likely others are having trouble with your phraseology.
 
Nov 4, 2012
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@Mr. Pre
For the "do mistakes" and "make mistakes" thing lets just push that aside and accept that you're wrong.

Someone tell me how much time they spent working on a particular move.
How do you know you have achieved an elevated execution of the move.
I spend many hours a day practicing the Sybil cut. I walk around and do my daily activities while practicing this cut and some other flourishes.
I think that you know you have mastered a move when you can do it in front of other people, with them closely watching you, and you execute it flawlessly, and you are able to do this multiple times effortlessly.
 
Nov 14, 2012
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Can you cite a reference? It sounds as though you're just making up definitions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/57767197/Do-or-Make-Explained

To "do as you are told" is very specific.


And what is it exactly that you are told to do????

Do as you are told.
You are told not to DO Tricks with angle problems aka Mistakes.
Do as you are told.

Its all about context.
If you read the paragraph you understand the context.


Generally, the transitive verb "make" is used to mean "to cause to exist or happen, to cause to be."

Yes.


Do, as a transitive verb is usually used to mean 'perform' or 'execute.'

Yes

A mistake is caused to happen; it cannot be performed (or it wouldn't be a mistake by definition). This is where I, and likely others are having trouble with your phraseology.

A mistake can also be a thing,
A guitar that produces no sound is a mistake.
The guitar maker should not DO mistakes.
The guitar maker should not PRODUCE guitars that make no sounds,they are a mistake of the guitar making process.

I essentially defined in the context of the OP a mistake as a trick that has bad angles.
If I DO one of those tricks I am prune to making mistakes myself because they are mistakes.
You're welcome
 
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