Gambling Moves/ Techniques for table work

[Amo]

Hello,

Recently I have really been in the mood for practicing as it is a good way to get rid of any stress.

However, I was asked todo a little magic for some people at a local event and I was thinking, I don't have any table routines/effects. I do a lot of in the hands quick visual magic but no table stuff. I was wondering what your reactions and experiences are with gambling techniques? I would only do it for entertainment, not for money - I would like to keep my life.

If I were to get into it then it would be with Foundations, but for the time being I am getting all the shuffle down from dananddave.com.

So what are your experiences with it and what do you think of Foundations?

Thanks in advance,

Adam.

 

[Steven Lafitte]

Hey Adam,

Jason England is a fantastic teacher/historian and his Foundations series is top-notch, you won't be disappointed and you'll learn tons if you put in the time and effort into getting the material down.

It's not a bad idea at all to go with something like that. Personally I enjoy gambling routines and techniques as I think most do when performed by someone who has a mastery (or seemingly has a mastery) of cards.

|| Steven

 

[Josh Burch]

If you are looking for magic routines for table stuff you might check out Jason England's Murphy's lecture. He teaches Vernon's triumph, a ten card poker deal and a couple other nice effects. Foundations is great for the moves but if you are looking for routines I would go elsewhere.

 

[Amo]

Thanks for the replies. I was wondering, is the strike second deal on Dan and Daves website the same as in foundations? If it is then I will practice that now but if not i would rather wait as I want the grip to look the same in all the deals. I don't really what a mechanics second deal and then a Erdanse grip bottom . So really are the grips similar and easy to switch between in the strike deal and the ones in foundations?

 

[Steven Lafitte]

I'm not familiar with D&D's strike second, however, Jason England's is taught very well. Too be honest I wouldn't even worry about a strike deal, the Push-off Second Deal (in my opinion) is a superior method and Jason teaches that one on Foundations 2.

• Erdnase 1st method
• Erdnase 2nd method
• Blackjack Hit Take method
• Vernon's "New Theory" 2nd Deal
• One-handed 2nd Deal

Is what you'll find that he teaches on Foundations 2, including other moves such as:

• Classic Pass
• Double Lift
• Pinky Count
• Gambler's Cop
• Riffle Stacking
• Zarrow Shuffle

|| Steven

 

[Amo]

I posted a link to the deal in the previous post. However it looks like a push off second to me but is titled strike. Either way it seems pretty good and is done in a mechanics like grip. Here the link again.

 

[Steven Lafitte]

I posted a link to the deal in the previous post. However it looks like a push off second to me but is titled strike. Either way it seems pretty good and is done in a mechanics like grip. Here the link again.

That is in fact a strike second being used in the link you provided, the person is just using an extremely small brief. I personally enjoy Jason's teaching style and his knowledge of everything he teaches, so he is my go-to card expert.

|| Steven

 

[Amo]

Hmm ok then. What is the difference between a push off and a strike then? I assume you push the second off in the push off? . I'll quickly check expert at the card table for the Erdanse methods yet i personally find the grips a bit, eye catching.

 

[Amo]

Just looked at the video by Jason and i have to say, that's smooth! I see how the entire card is jogged out rather than just the top corner.

 

[Steven Lafitte]

Just looked at the video by Jason and i have to say, that's smooth! I see how the entire card is jogged out rather than just the top corner.

Precisely, that's the difference. To me it's easier than the strike second and when done with an over-all back design like a Bee deck, it's virtually undetectable.

And both the strike or push-off can be done sans Erdnase grip.

|| Steven

 

[Amo]

To be honest, even with a day of practice on this second deal it is look decent from my angle. I'm going to film it in a bit so i can see what it looks like from the front but with the bee deck it looks nice. Only issue is that i need to reset the grip every now and then.

 

[Joey144]

To be honest, even with a day of practice on this second deal it is look decent from my angle. I'm going to film it in a bit so i can see what it looks like from the front but with the bee deck it looks nice. Only issue is that i need to reset the grip every now and then.

Remember, the rythm (not the size of the brief) is the key part for false deals. Sorry to say, but I doubt that you have a "decent" second deal after one day of practice.

 

[medic91whiskey]

No need to discourage the man's confidence! Amo I'm sure you're making progress now just keep practicing until you have a second deal that is performance ready which may be a while. I'm starting to work on mine as well and know that climbing this mountain will be tough but worth it. So don't let anyone discourage you in any way. Just keep in mind that you already have the world's best second deal and let that energize you to make that a reality!

 

[Josh Burch]

Remember, the rythm (not the size of the brief) is the key part for false deals. Sorry to say, but I doubt that you have a "decent" second deal after one day of practice.

I agree, you want to get rid of the hesitation and pauses between legitimate and false deals. The issue of sound is something that pops up for almost everyone as well and it can be terribly difficult to make your deals sound the same.

 

[Joey144]

No need to discourage the man's confidence! Amo I'm sure you're making progress now just keep practicing until you have a second deal that is performance ready which may be a while. I'm starting to work on mine as well and know that climbing this mountain will be tough but worth it. So don't let anyone discourage you in any way. Just keep in mind that you already have the world's best second deal and let that energize you to make that a reality!

I'm just being realistic. There are so many things that play into a decent false deal, that it's just silly to believe that you can get those down in one day of practice. Besides that, his comment was about "the look" of his deal. My point was that the rhythm is a far more important point than just the size of the brief.

 

[Amo]

I was saying that it looks decent for a day of practice from what i was expecting. I thought i would be dropping cards and such but i was doing better then i thought, i never said ghat it was going to fool magicians and card men alike.
Either way im glad to take on any tips that pop up in this post.

 

[Amo]

I also have a question on the mechanics grip bottom deal. Here is ghe grip that im working with. I was wondering how you practice the deal to get the best results. Also how do you you push out the top and bottom card? do you do it at and angle like the strike second deal or do you do it strait out and then retract with the thumb.

 

[medic91whiskey]

I'm just being realistic. There are so many things that play into a decent false deal, that it's just silly to believe that you can get those down in one day of practice. Besides that, his comment was about "the look" of his deal. My point was that the rhythm is a far more important point than just the size of the brief.

And my main point is that it's important to give constructive criticism instead of just saying something in a negative way. We never know how that can affect someone. All your points are valid just sandwich them in between some positive thoughts for the man is all I'm saying.

 

[Sky92]

I agree, you want to get rid of the hesitation and pauses between legitimate and false deals. The issue of sound is something that pops up for almost everyone as well and it can be terribly difficult to make your deals sound the same.

If the top and bottom deals sound different, it's easier to make a fair one sound like a fake.

 

[Josh Burch]

If the top and bottom deals sound different, it's easier to make a fair one sound like a fake.

It's not as easy as you might think. Jack Carpenter talks about how he still cant get rid of the sound consistently.