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To be honest I rarely use the pass..... it requires too much misdirection imo.... Howver having said that, I know people who swear by the pass and only use it in their routines. It really depends on you and what you are comfortable with.
I will add this one last thing though... The simplest method to pull of the desired outcome you want should be the one you chose. So if you notice that it is easier to use the pass than say a top change or tilt (in the context of the effect you are trying to achieve) then use it. But try not to use it because you feel obligated to (well I put all this time practicing it so I may as well use it.) lol hope that makes sense.
I will add this one last thing though... The simplest method to pull of the desired outcome you want should be the one you chose. So if you notice that it is easier to use the pass than say a top change or tilt (in the context of the effect you are trying to achieve) then use it. But try not to use it because you feel obligated to (well I put all this time practicing it so I may as well use it.) lol hope that makes sense.
Totally agree that most people that recommend this haven't read it. Annotated Erdnase is great but I would also suggest checking out The Experts at the Card Table by David Ben & E.S. Andrews from Magicana. Has 700+ photographs of hand positions and easier to understand text.
I'm not sure about simplest method. Take an example. I need to remove a selected card from the deck after it is reinserted and place it in my pocket. Maybe a simple method is using a Feidler's Flyer gimmick, but I want the spectator to take the card and show it to the audience. The simplest method is an overhand shuffle with a top palm but for my effect that is too much handling. Maybe using the Losing Control and then a top palm. What about doing a move where you palm the selected card which is returned to the middle of the deck as you square the deck? Not easy. It took me two months to get that to work to where the action lworks 100% of the time and looks completely natural without any movements that wouldn't be made when squaring the deck and handing it to the spectator. Simple? Not really. But it is the BEST move for the effect. Could you use a pass... maybe but the cover for the pass is a squaring move and then the palm has an additional squaring move which looks suspicious.
I generally tend to prefer simple (as do most performers) and I think my solution above is the most simple in that it directly does in one move what would typically take two. It is not simple in terms of being easy.
Other than the fact Erdnase wasn't E.S. Andrews... but Wilbur Edgerton Sanders or mabe Jose Antenor de Gago y Zavala.
I've heard good things about David's book but haven't read it.
That is why I said "desired outcome" or "context." I did not mean simplest method period. I meant simplest method to perform the desired outcome you are looking for.
Expert at the Card Table is a great book , it is difficult to understand but after a lot of re-reading you can figure it out , i did
SO here is the thing, everyone is going to give you their two cents about what is best. The best thing to do is start somewhere good and 9 times out of 10 its a book. Royal road to card magic, Card College, By Forces Unseen (by no means a beginner book, but I love it).
Also when RealityOne gives some advice, always, always take it to heart.
Once you get comfortable with card magic start looking into books about patter, showmanship, and character so that your magic will be something worth remember more than a wow that was cool.
One final thing. I live in Poway, Ca about 30mins south on the I-15 so don't feel like your alone in Temecula. Hit me up
Also when RealityOne gives some advice, always, always take it to heart.
Once you get comfortable with card magic start looking into books about patter, showmanship, and character so that your magic will be something worth remember more than a wow that was cool.
One final thing. I live in Poway, Ca about 30mins south on the I-15 so don't feel like your alone in Temecula. Hit me up
I said I'm a cardist, not a card illusionist. Books for high budget, youtube for low budget, you get what you pay for.
I COMPLETELY agree. Everybody stresses how important a pass is, how it is the best card control, it helps with dexterity, etc. I feel in this age of YouTube and such everybody thinks the pass is much better than it is. I find it much more work to have to use a pass in an effect rather than something simple (like you said) such as a DPS or a top palm. The pass doesn't necessarily get a card to a desired location any more effectively than a double undercut, hindu shuffle, side steal, etc. Take one of the greatest living magicians on Earth, Juan Tamariz, for example. I have never seen him do a pass in my life. Argue as much as you want, a pass isn't as great as a control as people say. I just find it too much work for something that most will find near impossible to do if somebody won't stop burning your hands. Yes, I have practiced the pass in my life, but in the past year or two I have strayed from it. I just found better ways to do things in my opinion.
Same here! Except I live in Houston. I only know of three other magicians but one is in college, the other doesn't take magic seriously, and the last one is usually working.
I personally never use any form of the pass in my magic. Since my hands are too small to effectively cover the pass, I never learned it with the intent to use it. The fact that my hands are not large enough to palm a playing card or execute the pass or similar moves without flashing, has caused me to rule out most effects involving those sleights.