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Seriously???? DM with J.England and Erdnase just doesnt work. With all mine respect to DM, as deseption artist, he`s just not good enough, to stand in the same line with the names you mentioned. What about Acherman, Nash, Turner???? Even Earl`s "Past Midnight" gives more, then DM "Mechanic".

6 month into practicing but still got same problem in 3-4 out of 10. Though i don't practice alternate.

Apology to everyone, apart from SteerTroll. I never ment this topic to turn into, what it did. Thanks to Jason England for clearing the matters out.

You can talk the talk but cant walk the walk. I am not feeding the troll any more. /ignore Streerpike

Can you please point me to some videos of your card work, preferably with shuffles and deals, otherwise you just trolling this part of the forum. For a professional filmmaker it should not be that difficult.

Jason, i know it out of the topic, your avatar states "card mechanic", do you consider yourself a magician or "card mechanic"?

Madison moves look too theatrical. They look too fishy, though you dont see anything but it gives you reason for suspect. Also his advice on dealing second, in one of his Revelations, not to worry about size of the brief, just to cover it with a tilt, seems odd to me. He didn`t fool Penn and...

Thanks for explaining. Literature on this topic is very difficult to find or it feels like it very well hidden. I will definitely look into names you mention. Floyd Moss "Card Cheats – How They Operate" one that i was looking for for year or so now with no success.

I not intrested in magical presentation, and other show off business. All i am interested is a technique. And that techique comes from a table and not from card performer. If cheater does a move it 100% accurate, simply perfect. None of the magician can stand close to the same level of...

You put a guy, lets say for couple of grand out of his pocket at the card table. Next day he comes at your show. What do you think his reaction would be? All i can say do both, but for me its just waste of time. Jack of all trades master of none.

I see what you mean. But Erdnase was not describing the techniques from the point of magic performance. He was talking about them from the point of a card cheat. I am not familiar the work of Robert-Houdin, John Nevil Maskelyne, Michael MacDougall, John Scarne. But the other two wrote the books...

Just be yourself.

I might be wrong or i might not be. But i cant imagine, due to mine "limited imagination", someone performing card manipulation and at the end saying something like: "Hey, why dont we play some poker or black jack? I promise i won`t cheat!!!" Or someone after winning the poker game going: "Oh it...

my apologies wasnt you. neither did you. No the skill but the approach. it does not cost much to be nice. Trying to shot two birds with same gun won`t work. For me it sounded like picking and not pointing. I am not familiar with you repertoire. What and from where you pulling thing...

Yes i do. You brought to the table the names of Daniel Madison and S W Erdnase. I dont think Madison was a good card cheat. Card cheat yes, but not good otherwise he would not got caught. But even now i dont think he calls himself a magician. Deception artist i think it is. No one 100% knows who...

I`m just a beginner just voicing my opinion acquired from Erdnase. There is a vast difference between the methods employed by the card conjurer in mystifying or amusing his audience; and those practiced at the card table by the professional, as in this case the entire conduct must be in perfect...

We had nice discussion. I understand your opinion on the topic. But it looks like you are not happy that i got mine. I never used myself as an example, i expressed my opinion. You clearly not happy that it does not correspond with yours. Your remark about my imagination earned you a proposition...

Well now you trolling, and getting personal. Why don`t you go and play cups and balls.