Okay, so here goes:- I know it sounds stupid, but how long does it take to have a pass satisfactory enough to use in a performance? I know a pass is an ever improving technique, and we all should forever strive for the better, but still, how long should I logically take before I build enough confidence to perform on spectators? Approximately? Just 2 days in the classic pass practice ( I know, sue me...) and should I still only be bothered about getting used to the motion or should I start checking my angles? I feel I am used to the motion now, but I may be wrong. However I do not know if I yet have the required muscle memory, any way to test that? Chris Ramsay, one of the magicians I follow on YT, has described learning the pass from You Tube as walking on a broken foot. Honestly speaking here, I took the major part of the lesson from RRTCM on the pass, and a few pdf's I could get. I do not have any DVD's of the pass, so I follow Asad's, Jarek's and the Russian Genius' tutorials for only the VISUAL part of the learning. Will I never be good enough at the classic pass or did Ramsay say that only to help sell his friend Xavior Spade's work on the pass (understanding he is a good friend of Spade) ? Some teachers use a few great techniques for making even a simple classic pass quite invisible. And they are quite simple. But I still don't feel comfortable with them. Should I practice them or will I be able to incorporate any required covers later and just focus on my current pass right now? thanks!