Appreciating the Audience's Experience

Pure Effect Study: Appreciating the Audience's Experience

I'm in the process of studying Derren Brown's Pure Effect again, and something hit me pretty hard this time around. Early in the book, Derren preaches about the importance of focusing our efforts on the audience to ensure they experience something special and memorable. I wanted to share this epiphany with T11 to see where members stood on the topic and what they think about it all. This initial post is essentially a compilation of the highlighting and scribbles in my copy of Pure Effect.

I'll wait here while you grab some popcorn and and blanket. I'm warning you now this thread'll take a while.

Oh, and you'll probably need some reading glasses to handle this God-forsaken font. Apologies.

I've read countless posts from other magicians talking about the importance of the audience and their interests and opinions. Despite this, it appears there is an overwhelming majority of videos posting the exact opposite of this line of thinking. I've been into magic for a few years. After seeing a wide array of live performances, likewise, I feel that although most magicians agree their audiences are everything, they still mostly perform for themselves. They perform the same flashy flourishes that initially impressed them. They perform the same material that initially fooled them. They say the same lines that initially amused them. The result becomes a cookie-cutter act that has no genuine focus on the audience.

Derren Brown addresses this issue in the second chapter of the book. He talks about how most magicians' starting point for forming a routine often involves the "latest and greatest." This is really relevant to today's magic community with the advancement of its commercialism and industry. We read a high-profile book or watch an acclaimed DVD and fall in love with an effect we see. We then ask ourselves how to incorporate that effect, or move, or line into our presentation to make for a hard-hitting routine.

I'm really guilty of doing that. But evidently, it's the wrong way.

Simply because we want to use an effect doesn't really mean the audience will want to see it. That's the question we have to ask. What does the audience want to see? Focusing on the audience at all times will always give them precisely what they want and expect out of you. And by accomodating to their personal interests, you become more of an interactive performer-- someone they can genuinely relate to... rather than being a mere trick monkey for them to watch.

Focusing on the audience is effing difficult to do. I recently tried to reformat my act with the audience always in mind, but I kept running into the same circles of my own preferences in material. I'm contemplating scrapping the entire thing and starting from a blank slate. ...Which could suck...

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It should be noted now, that the audience's experience of your performance has so much more to do than the effects you do. Remember it's an experience. On most occasions, it will be a rare one: not many people see a live magician everyday of their lives. For professionals and active hobbyists, it's so easy to become jaded with what we do and think that we're not offering something unique to an audience. We get into the habit of intruding on an audience's privacy, saying hello, doing some tricks, and rinse and repeating.

Every audience isn't the same.

It's important that the audience understands what you do and is comfortable with who you are before you decide to perform. First impressions are lasting impressions. Looking back on my own career, I've no idea how many people genuinely liked me or was just being polite in seeing my magic. It is so easy to rush into a magic routine for an audience. Showing magic before people are ready for it will never reach its fullest potential. It's important to develop a solid rapport with an audience before sharing what you want to offer. Charm them. Make them laugh. Kiss some butt. Something I learned from the book was that focusing on the audience means treating them how they want to be admired; telling them what they want to hear; and ensuring they're comfortable with who you are prior to you using a single prop.

Question: How do we get the audience to believe we have something special they will want to see?

The answer is the Golden rule: treat others the way you want to be treated. Allow them to appreciate who you are as a person by showing you appreciate them first. Allow them to wonder what it is you have to offer. Doing so will make them want to see magic the way you want to perform it. Ultimately, it will make for a much more fulfilling experience for everyone involved-- including you.

Doing this at each and every table will make each and every performance unique and authentic. Granted, you'll most likely be doing the same old routine, but you'll appreciate doing it for different people each time. You'll build off their energy. You'll listen to their lines. Before you know it-- the same act you've done hundreds of times will look and feel like the first time. It's a refreshing experience.

You're still reading? Kudos.

Lastly, I want to touch base on the quality of the material we perform and how we present it. I would imagine most people do a routine like Triumph. I'll use such an effect as an example. I find that a lot of people tell the story of how a drunken spectator or magician accidentally shuffled the cards face-up and down to find themselves in the predicament. With a lame magical gesture, the cards turn the same way again while revealing the spectator's selection. Right?

Regardless of your technique or method-- doing Triumph this way is a puzzle. A puzzle that will ultimately build a wall between you and the audience if you don't show them how it's done. If you have the book, turn to page 22 and re-read that parargraph detailing how people respond to puzzles. It's overwhelmingly not a positive reaction.

Presenting magic as puzzles not only devalues the art as meager tricks but it also establishes barriers between the audience and the performer. Magic, in my opinion, should more or less present a conflict that the performer and audience can resolve together for a more gratifying experience. Focus should-- again-- always be on the audience's perception and understanding of the effect.

Here's how I personally present Triumph. I have a spectator select a card and I lose it into the deck. I purposely make it look like I'm manipulating the cards with a dextrous sleight. I make them suspect I'm doing something fishy. Once I grab their attention this way, I accidentally drop the cards. They fall to the table or on the floor. The cards are a mess. I find that most people will initially laugh and then respond with a sincere, "Aww," because it legitimately looks like I messed up the effect. Everyone helps me get the cards together, and I spread them to show that the cards are all face-up and down. I hand the deck to the person who chose the card and I ask her to imagine how amazing it would be if the top card of the deck turned out to be her selection. I get her hopes up. She turns over the card and finds that I messed up again. Laughter all around. I then bring down the mood, and have her think about her selection. In her hands, the cards all turn the same way again, and she'll find her card in the center of the deck facing the other way.

Notice how this performance actually involves the audience and gets them to interact with me. They're not only laughing at me, but they're also feeling bad for me. It's a great moment for spontaneous comedy and drama. I also let the magic moment happen in the spectator's hands so they can take the credit for the effect's resolution. I'm not working against the audience-- in fact we're working together to make it all happen nicely.

Oh, and for those of you who want to know-- It's Kostya Kimlat's Culligula.

So I'll end on that. I hope this ridiculous attempt at a summation of the fist few chapters of the book will offer something new to people here.

Pure Effect is a great book. I would love to session and workshop it to death here. If you're interested to do so-- please respond. And in regards to this particular thread, ask yourselves-- how well are you really relating your act to your audience? And for those of you who are confident in your abilities to make magic an appreciative art-- how was the road to finally getting your act to where it's at?

...You're still reading. Unbelievable.

RS.




 
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Excellent thread, excellent read, excellent experience. I red it all in two minutes, and i wasn't bored at all.
You opened my eyes and my mind. I actually don't own that book, and i would love to read more of it, trough you.

But i have one question. I see your point, and you are totally right, but what about those direct effects, that last only a minute or even shorter? How can you involve your audience, how can you prolong those tricks?
 
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Simply because we want to use an effect doesn't really mean the audience will want to see it. That's the question we have to ask. What does the audience want to see? Focusing on the audience at all times will always give them precisely what they want and expect out of you.

This might depend on venue and on the performer. What if you craft an entire routine based on what your audience likes, but you yourself don't enjoy performing most of the stuff? Doesn't it run the risk of not being fun for you, the performer?

I can see the merits of such an approach, but I can also see the artistic validity of presenting material you're interested in, and that you like - as a way of confirming yourself as an individual instead of hired entertainment, for one ("I have opinions and tastes, this is unique to me"); for two, challenging the audience with something they may not particularly grasp at first, but that makes them think; and for three, the basic principle of it all. Aren't we all doing magic for ourselves, first and foremost? Because it's fun for us? If we hated magic, we wouldn't be out there performing it for audiences.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to equate yourself and the audience, as long as you're doing that correctly. Equate yourself and share the experience. Your presentation of Triumph was an excellent example: you and the audience, together, on the same page, experiencing the journey. It's a feeling you'd get (this communal experience) by investing your taste and presentation, including effect selection. You're baring your soul instead of just reflecting the audience's. When you can do that, when you can say, "I have something I think is amazing to show you," then you're excited, and then the audience gets excited if it's good, and then together there's an authentic energy to the routine.

It's not forsaking the audience and going only for self-gratification. It's making sure you're into it, also, and that you can really share the experience with them. There's a certain vibe coming from that: "I'm not a hired pro who does this night after night - I think this is cool, too. Let's appreciate this together."

You know, versus the facade of that.

Oh! And also, assuming your artistic intent includes such a train of thought.

There's other ways to include the audience and to throw the spotlight on them. Other hooks and areas of interest. But there's a difference between a garage band hired to do a party who plays cover songs of what the audience requests, and the band who wrote those songs for themselves that everybody loves. It's reaching out to find like-minded people, which really makes everything a lot stronger.

That's why it's all up to venue, again. Table-hopping at a restaurant four times a week, this probably isn't for you.

Everything else, I agree with 100%. Really digging what Brown has to say, as always.
 
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Derren Brown is one of the most underrated magical thinkers of our time.

His other book 'Absolute Magic' (the sequel to 'Pure Effect') contains the same idea.

There's a small chapter on the use of cards in the model of magic you just described. Every so-called 'card magician' should read that.
 
This might depend on venue and on the performer. What if you craft an entire routine based on what your audience likes, but you yourself don't enjoy performing most of the stuff? Doesn't it run the risk of not being fun for you, the performer?

I can see the merits of such an approach, but I can also see the artistic validity of presenting material you're interested in, and that you like - as a way of confirming yourself as an individual instead of hired entertainment, for one ("I have opinions and tastes, this is unique to me"); for two, challenging the audience with something they may not particularly grasp at first, but that makes them think; and for three, the basic principle of it all. Aren't we all doing magic for ourselves, first and foremost? Because it's fun for us? If we hated magic, we wouldn't be out there performing it for audiences.

Maybe it's not such a bad thing to equate yourself and the audience, as long as you're doing that correctly. Equate yourself and share the experience. Your presentation of Triumph was an excellent example: you and the audience, together, on the same page, experiencing the journey. It's a feeling you'd get (this communal experience) by investing your taste and presentation, including effect selection. You're baring your soul instead of just reflecting the audience's. When you can do that, when you can say, "I have something I think is amazing to show you," then you're excited, and then the audience gets excited if it's good, and then together there's an authentic energy to the routine.

It's not forsaking the audience and going only for self-gratification. It's making sure you're into it, also, and that you can really share the experience with them. There's a certain vibe coming from that: "I'm not a hired pro who does this night after night - I think this is cool, too. Let's appreciate this together."

You know, versus the facade of that.

Oh! And also, assuming your artistic intent includes such a train of thought.

There's other ways to include the audience and to throw the spotlight on them. Other hooks and areas of interest. But there's a difference between a garage band hired to do a party who plays cover songs of what the audience requests, and the band who wrote those songs for themselves that everybody loves. It's reaching out to find like-minded people, which really makes everything a lot stronger.

That's why it's all up to venue, again. Table-hopping at a restaurant four times a week, this probably isn't for you.

Everything else, I agree with 100%. Really digging what Brown has to say, as always.


I do agree with you. I think there is a healthy balance between the two extremes. And Derren does cover this point of view in the book, but I was just specifically interested in his appreciation (his passion) for the audience's opinion.

Unfortunately, I do feel that-- as a whole-- magicians do undermine the audience's views and interests on most occasions. What gives me this impression? I see so many "show-offs" performing that I have to wonder if the audience is genuinely getting anything in return for watching the performer... well (bluntly put)... play with himself. I think this is an unfortunate trend that needed to be discussed, so I thought it was a good way to incorporate Derren Brown's work to back my own opinions. Every time I read his book, I seem to pick up on something new and enlightening.

So with that said, for those interested, I'd like to play with this idea of studying the work and posting my own "findings" to T11. Hopefully-- doing so will give everyone enough information to sink their teeth into and eventually give them the motivation to pick up a copy-- regardless of its steep price these days. It's a wonderful read that could take a lifetime to adequately touch upon all its lessons. I'll keep re-studying the book and posting the wavetops of what I learn to inspire some worthwhile conversation. Hopefully it'll work out.

I'd also love to hear what other readers of the book have to share as well. In fact, I'm interested in hearing what anyone has to say-- whether they have knowledge from other literature or their own personal experiences. Learning is learning, and it's (especially) fun to do with something we're all passionate about: quality magic and performance art.

RS.
 
Derren Brown is one of the most underrated magical thinkers of our time.

His other book 'Absolute Magic' (the sequel to 'Pure Effect') contains the same idea.

There's a small chapter on the use of cards in the model of magic you just described. Every so-called 'card magician' should read that.

Absolute Magic is phenomenal. I actually prefer that book over Pure Effect. Once I finish reading this again, I'll most likely re-study the sequel, and-- depending on the feedback I get here-- will post my cliffnotes and opinions as I already started. Please feel free to join in on the fun though! Different readers get different lessons from the same material, and I think there's something for everyone here to benefit from.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk about the books behind closed doors. There's so much to touch base on...

RS.
 
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Got cliffs???

If you can't be bothered to read everything in there, you don't deserve the information.

That said, this goes to a question I've continually asked a lot of people who asked me for advice in the last few months: What do I as a spectator get out of this? What's in it for me?

Pure entertainment is not an answer. It betrays an out-of-touch perspective. A performer who fails to look beyond the proscenium and connect with the audience he stands in front of. What Derren is getting at is the human factor, something that was mentioned here: http://forums.theory11.com/showpost.php?p=174757&postcount=196

Bob Cassidy refers to this in Fundamentals of Mentalism as "Stay connected."

As humans, we want human contact. We want drama. We want a performer who is a story waiting to unfold before us. If you can't do that, I hope you and your webcam will be very happy together.
 
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Fantastic read, didn't really want it to come to a halt. :) I'd say more but I don't have anything to add, so a thank you is all I can offer I'm afraid. I can only hope that someday I'll come to owning those books and I'll possibly be able to engage in a discussion.

- Sean
 
Apr 27, 2008
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Steerpike was banned again. Why?

Higher intellect bounces along into the board and we miss the opportunity to actually listen to the important givings, instead opting to burn him at a stake.

As Brad Christian once said:
"The end result justifies the means."

And I respect both Brad and Steerpike enough that I know we have to look past his means, and embrace the message.

Way to go guys :rolleyes:

Gustav
 
I've to admit-- I actually asked Steerpike to comment on this thread. I wanted him to spark some controversy and offer some additional insight into the topic. It's unfortunate the moderators/staff here don't agree with his attitude or presence, because I feel he has an important opinion and message that should be acknowledged and followed. He's tired of seeing the performance of magic go to waste. Magic deserves to be performed-- it is meant to be seen. It is a visual art that has its livelihood in the imaginations of an audience. When its done in a bedroom in front of a webcam... it's just not the same. And I would personally argue that it detracts from the wonder of magic altogether. In this case-- I do believe Steerpike was correct in claiming that bedroom magicians aren't artists at all. Just an opinion.

RS.



 
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okay :) ill talk about it.

I myself found the really awsome bit of the book where he talks about risk, thats awsome, (for anyone who hasnt read it) he talks about (in mentalism) he often uses risks to make a more incredible effect at the end, like a pyschological force (sp.).

wanna talk about the book more? send me a pm :)
 
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I've to admit-- I actually asked Steerpike to comment on this thread. I wanted him to spark some controversy and offer some additional insight into the topic.

Well, since I'm now back, how about some more controversy?

I would suggest the root of the problem behind a lot of magicians failing to connect with audiences is because they're just not very interesting people. They don't do anything that would build character or lead to a good story later on down the road.

To be an interesting performer, you have to have an interesting life. I'm not saying you have to wrestle sharks, hunt for arcane relics in uncharted jungles, or team up with Jason Statham to battle time-travelling cyborgs running a smuggling ring, even though all of the above would be totally rad. Just get out of the house more than once every other week.
 
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Audience reactions is the #1 reason I even stuck with magic in the end. I love the joy and experiences you can give people, I love the look in their eyes from something that seems unbelieveable.

With this in mind, I try very hard not to perform effects that I want but effects that I feel will be the most suitable for an audience.

When learning new effects from any source I go to friends and family to perform it first. I perform several variations over a course of a few weeks and I ask after every performance what they thought. When I find the variation/effect that gets the best genuine reaction, then I find ways to add it to my routines.

Excellent post :)
 
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