Beginner resource for multi-packet cuts

[BlueBackedBikes]

Hello all,

I've only recently gotten into this crazy world of cardistry and am still kind of confused (or, rather, I just don't know) of a good starting place for multi-packet cuts. They are really what I'd like to get into, but I don't know of any good starting places for learning them.

I was told to first learn to Five Faces of Sybil, which I've now devoted to muscle memory and can do quickly and without thinking. But...what now? From what I've read (I've tried to read about this kind of stuff on decknique, etc.), there are no 'real' places to start for learning Dan-and-Dave-style multi-packet cuts.

So now I ask you; what is a good way/path to start learning multi-packet cuts?

Ryan

 

[Cliff|Bumgardner]

I've been wondering this very thing recently. Where (other than totally out of control) can you learn five faces? I can do sybilism and a few others but i'de love to learn some more. I understand Jerry possibly has some books out on this?

Sharp

 

[BlueBackedBikes]

I've been wondering this very thing recently. Where (other than totally out of control) can you learn five faces? I can do sybilism and a few others but i'de love to learn some more. I understand Jerry possibly has some books out on this?

Sharp

I learned it from the Beginners 101 (EDIT: It's actually called Flourishes 101, my bad) section on Disk 3 of the Trilogy (I bought the Trilogy back when it was a 3 DVD set for the Tricks DVD). It's also taught on the explanation of the Jackson 5 (the Five Faces of Sybil is the fourth phase of the J5, but it's just called Sybil).

Right now I'm trying to learn the 'Sybilism' stage of the Jackson 5, but I don't know what to do with the packets at one point. Oh well, maybe if I watch it over and over and over and over and over again I'll finally get it?

And thanks in advance for the responses, guys, because I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering this.

 

[trashmanf]

what the? it's obviously, buy dan and dave's material!

the system, the trilogy, are both chock full of multi packet cuts.

"generation extreme" by brian tudor is AWESOME and it has some of these sybils too.

jerry's encyclopedia has a couple sybils, but more than that, it has entire CHAPTERS on multipacket cuts, single and both handed, but..... welll...... if you buy that book, you risk educating yourself to other aspects of flourishing besides multipacket cuts. god forbid.

 

[Tally]

I would start on youtube.

 

[Eddie]

Multi-packet? Do you mean 2 hand flourishes?
Dan and Dave's are the best in my opinion.

Decknique's media section has some awesome tutorial as well. Don't go to youtube, you could learn the move wrong.

 

[Monkeyofmanipulation]

OK multi packet inlcudes anything that is more than 2 packets pretty much.
lol

But the system is bad for beginers i have heard. The material on there asumes you already have a pretty good control of the cards.
THe trilogy however is far better becuase there are things on there for everyone.

I would also look at Squeeze By Daren which is on Decknique and here.

-Hope this helps

Every card dude or dude-et learns a different way. It affects the way you skill up.

-Jon

 

[Mr.J]

I would without a doubt suggest you start with the encyclopedia as it really is the most comprehensive book about, it is quite pricey but well worth it. You could start with the system as it's not impossible to learn from as a begginer(It's where I started)but can be a bit tough.

 

[Amirshaw]

learned it from the Beginners 101 section on Disk 3 of the Trilogy

actually its flourishes 101 and its really not a bad place to start, but i would go with the system and extreme beginners, youtube isnt a very good place unless you wanna learn sybils, learn as many variations of the sybil and crazy cuts, and learn sybilism, then youll be good =]

 

[Eddie]

The teaching in the Flourishes 101 is just like in the System but with some style, kinda faster, and more camera angles... so if you can learn it like that, Flourishes 101 is I guess a good place to learn some beginner moves.

 

[Zeus375]

I've been wondering these same things, but I also have another question: What is the original, plain Sybil cut? Is there one? I've had trouble finding this out as everything seems to be a variation or something.

Thanks,
Zeus

 

[trashmanf]

its in Chris Kenners "out of control" i think but you can also learn it on "flourishes 101"

 

[Zeus375]

its in Chris Kenners "out of control" i think but you can also learn it on "flourishes 101"

Oh, ok. So is the original Sybil just where you separate the deck the into 4 packets, split the packet second to the top into 2 with your thumb and middle finger(making 5 total packets), and then swing your new packet around to where it's second to the bottom and then you close it?

Sorry because that problably didn't make much sense but someone who knows this Sybil cut should be able to understand what I'm saying.

 

[UnholyGodn]

Oh, ok. So is the original Sybil just where you separate the deck the into 4 packets, split the packet second to the top into 2 with your thumb and middle finger(making 5 total packets), and then swing your new packet around to where it's second to the bottom and then you close it?

Sorry because that problably didn't make much sense but someone who knows this Sybil cut should be able to understand what I'm saying.

Pretty much.

 

[BlueBackedBikes]

Actually, what he's describing is the Five Faces of Sybil, which is different from the Sybil cut.

The (original) Sybil (taught on page 122 of Totally out of Control) is a 4-packet cut that involves a Charlier cut and rotating the packets short end over short end (the opposite of turning the pages of a book).

The Five Faces of Sybil (taught on page 125 of Totally Out of Control) is the cut that you're describing - the deck is first broken into 'W-grip' (as I've heard it been called by Cap Casino) and ends with a five packet display (with the last packet being formed by breaking a packet in two with your middle finger and thumb).

However, because the Five Faces of Sybil is much more frequently seen and allows for more expansion than the original Sybil does, we tend to forget the original Sybil and just call the Five Faces of Sybil 'the Sybil'. So whenever you see someone talking about the 'Sybil cut', you can pretty much automatically assume that they're talking about the Five Faces. For example, on the Trilogy, the Flourishes 101 section and the Jackson 5 both teach a 'Sybil' cut/phase, but in both cases, they're teaching the Five Faces of Sybil.

 

[Zeus375]

Actually, what he's describing is the Five Faces of Sybil, which is different from the Sybil cut.

The (original) Sybil (taught on page 122 of Totally out of Control) is a 4-packet cut that involves a Charlier cut and rotating the packets short end over short end (the opposite of turning the pages of a book).

The Five Faces of Sybil (taught on page 125 of Totally Out of Control) is the cut that you're describing - the deck is first broken into 'W-grip' (as I've heard it been called by Cap Casino) and ends with a five packet display (with the last packet being formed by breaking a packet in two with your middle finger and thumb).

However, because the Five Faces of Sybil is much more frequently seen and allows for more expansion than the original Sybil does, we tend to forget it and just call the Five Faces of Sybil 'the Sybil'. So whenever you see someone talking about 'the Sybil' cut, you can pretty much automatically assume that they're talking about the Five Faces. For example, on the Trilogy, the Flourishes 101 section and the Jackson 5 both teach a 'Sybil' cut/phase, but in both cases, they're teaching the Five Faces of Sybil.

Thanks for the info, man. I expected Five Faces of Sybil to be more complicated than that but I just learned it last night and I've been doing it with ease since this morning. Well anyway, do you know of any videos which show the original Sybil? It sounds pretty cool and for some reason I have the urge to master the original.

Thanks,
Zeus

EDIT:I just searched "Five Faces of Sybil" on youtube(*gasp*)and found that all the performances of it are different than what I was talking about. Hmm, now I'm confused.