Don't get me wrong here guys, I've been doing the pass for about 5 years now! My spread pass is my most beautifuly concealed. Usualy just with misdirection and audience management there's no issue, but in table hopping there's always ppl around me and I can't really use audience management due to the fact that they're sitting at tables. The pass is great but it does have its downfalls. Draven, Its not that I can't do all of my controls its just that I'm looking for more inovative methods that I may not have heard of. If nothing else then this thread could just be a reference for ppl to learn of new controls. I seem to remember either the losing control or the convincing control, I can't remember which one it was, but I think Ill look into those again! That's one problem with card sleights, its easy to move on and forget some of them ever existed...