ok in andthensome they say they do not know the propoer crediting and i wanted to find out so here is what i came across. Ok in Jeff mcbrides zoom bounce flip DVD he teaches a move called the thumb flick spin which is what dan and dave call Flic i do not have the dvd at this miment but on the DVD Jeff credits it to someone but i cant remember who. So if you have this DVD pop it in and wacth that move and find out who it was created by i would love to know.