Antonio Diavolo

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So I am currently in high school and wanted to create my own extracurricular activity. Partially inspired by Stuart Edge who did magic in a children's hospital and this guy named Ricky Mena who meets sick children as Spider-Man, I came up with the idea to do basically exactly what Stuart Edge did. I'd like to perform magic for children in children's hospitals.

So how would I go about doing this? How should I contact hospitals about this?

Also, what are some tricks I should and shouldn't do? Obviously I'll stick to simple, fast, and easy to follow tricks like sponge balls/bunnies. Any recommendations?

I'm also really into superheroes as are many children and had the idea of performing tricks that makes it seem like the kid is doing the magic and not me. One example I sort of thought ofis using Magma (maybe Vapr as well but I don't know how well that would fly in a hospital) and a coin bending effect to make the kids use their "heat vision" to melt the coin or doing some sort of silverware bending effect but telling them to focus on the spoon/fork and bend it with their mind. Stuff like that. I'd like to make the kids feel good about themselves in a way if that makes any sense.

Anything helps! Thank you for your time!

PS I know I post a lot and I've mentioned this before but I've never used forums until recently and its super fun and nice to finally be able to talk to fellow magicians about various questions I have.
 
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Do a google search of some hospitals/organisations near you. A lot of them will have a page on how you can contact them to volunteer. In my opinion it is not really that important exactly what tricks you perform, just anything you feel comfortable with and can do well.
 
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You don't have to create a charity to do what you're talking about. All you have to do is, like hitlab2 said, contact local hospitals that have a children's ward and ask if you can do some performances for free.

If you wanted to do this as something approaching a job (as in, performing regularly enough that it becomes difficult to sustain a job that can actually pay a living wage) then you'd want to consider starting a charity. That will depend on where you live and Google will be your friend at first. It will involve creating a business and registering it as a charity, which involves some paperwork and tax forms and such.
 

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You don't have to create a charity to do what you're talking about. All you have to do is, like hitlab2 said, contact local hospitals that have a children's ward and ask if you can do some performances for free.

If you wanted to do this as something approaching a job (as in, performing regularly enough that it becomes difficult to sustain a job that can actually pay a living wage) then you'd want to consider starting a charity. That will depend on where you live and Google will be your friend at first. It will involve creating a business and registering it as a charity, which involves some paperwork and tax forms and such.
Ah you see I wasn't clear on that. I just meant it as volunteer charity work in a way. Should've worded that more clearly.
 

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I have not begun doing hospital shows--yet. I originally had a timetable to spring of last year. But 2016 was a dumpster fire; financially and personally. Tried shooting for spring, and finances weren't there, and I got hospitalized in April and I couldn't get on a stable med regiment until November. I SHOULD be able to get the show settled by the end of this year (application approved at either end of this year or beginning of next year) because the finances are going to be all right and I can actually fund everything I would need. I work with a lot of props (Tenyo Magic to be exact). I want to have everything I would need for the routines and then work from there. I'm working on some sleight work as well, but I;'m also trying to learn what all is out there. Can't use just ANY trick out there, you know?

What I'm about to say is only applicable to volunteer your time in hospitals with the sole intention of doing this for non-profit ONLY. I know that magicians do work with certain charity functions and there is sometimes the issue of getting paid for your time and the ethics regarding that. I believe that the people that need magic in their lives are the ones that are not able to make it to a show. So, non profit volunteer magic.

EVERY hospital is slightly different in protocol. There's always going to be a coordinator you'll have to talk to first. Some hospitals have applications online. Some just have a phone number and a name. Once you get the ball rolling, it'll take about a month....maybe 2 before you are able to do your thing in a hospital. It mostly consists of a background check, flu shot, TB check, application registration, an interview with the coordinator, and MAYBE a 'hospital protocol' course (more than likely just a day since you're filling in as 'entertainment'. As far as protocol goes, you'll learn and only be required to know real bare bones stuff). Depending on the hospital, there MAY be a uniform (a vest, from what I have seen in some cases) involved for volunteers, so you may have to go out of pocket for that. Most I have seen is $25

Depending on where you live, Open Heart Magic may be a group applicable to you.

Also, be prepared to do some tricks during the interview. Most of the places I have screened want to see the EXACT routine you are going to do. Some hospitals will give you free reign on what you do (within reason). Others want to make exactly sure they know what they are approving and make sure HIPAA doesn't get violated.

As for what tricks to do and what not to do. The hospital doesn't know exactly what is, or could be, in a magician's repertoire. They do have some HARD 'NO!' items such as: fire, smoke, animals, latex, and anything that makes a mess.
One thing to keep in mind is the kind of magic you want to do and that you're going to be in contact with sick kids. With that in mind, NO SPONGE BALLS. Absolute bacteria bath for every kid after the first one who handles them. Great trick. Just not for a hospital. I have seen some videos where magicians do sponge balls in a hospital. Just do the courteous thing and don't do it.

Cards. This is a tricky one. If a kid handles a card, and you shuffle it back in the deck. The deck is now basically contaminated. I stay the hell away from card tricks unless I'm actually going to 100% handle them. And even then, card tricks aren't the most effective things working with kids. At least, using basic Bicycle deck with regular faces and suits isn't the most effective. Personally, if you're really hard up on using cards, get a blank deck and do an Ambitious Card routine with one of the cards having a drawing of a dog. I'm trying to do an Oil & Water routine with 8 Pokemon cards. The ONLY card trick I would do that utilizes a regular deck would be Tiny Plunger. However, it has a set of limitations that you have to work with and your mileage may vary.

Mental magic if iffy. While some self-working stuff is easy and has instant reset value. From experience, mental magic will either flop, or EVERY KID WILL WANT YOU TO READ THEIR MIND. Do you want to be swarmed by 60 kids for individual mind readings? I had 30 kids swarm me at a church function because of this. You. Will. Weep.

No tricks that utilize weapons or things that look like weapons. Like knives, anything sharp, etc. I have a routine in which I turn a Heckler & Koch G36 into an AK47. I thought about it and went, 'I don't think this is appropriate for kids.'
I know some tricks utilize props that use knives or props that look like knives; run it by your coordinator because HIPAA and anything that resembles a weapon, or just whispering the word 'weapon' within 200 feet of a hospital--or in the same room with a picture of a hosapital, is a no-no.

Tricks using vapor of any kind. I think the trick Stewart Edge uses is called Frozen. I could be wrong. That, and tricks like Vapr. I'm not all too clear of how they work and whatnot, but I can almost guarantee that even if you explain the mechanics and (if they are safe), you won't be given a go-ahead for them. Every hospital magic video I have seen features at least ONE trick that makes my eye twitch. For Stewart Edge, it's the ice cube trick, a lot of others it's kids handling cards and sponge balls. I know that with 'vaping' being a thing and something hospitals had to address and crack down on, anything like that in the magic realm will more than likely be outright banned. Just be ready for that.

Religious overtones in tricks or routines. This will get you blacklisted.

If you have a website or an actual business and try to promote yourself in the hospital through business cards and such, you will be blacklisted.

Tricks involving a phone. Taking picture of patients and things in the hospital (without approval from proper channels) is a big HIPAA violation. If you do any phone tricks, try and show that they won't activate the camera. If they do use the camera function, try and work it so that the patient, or anybody for that matter, is required to be in the picture.

When Pokemon Go was first released and was a nationwide epidemic, hospitals all over the place had mixed protocol about it; all stemming from the fact that the game used augmented reality and you could take in-game pictures and get pictures of people and things you shouldn't. While you COULD turn the AR function off and avoid the whole mess, some hospitals would kick you out (not the patient, but like people in waiting room or patient room and such) if you got caught playing the game in or near the hospital. Others were okay with it. Honestly, run it by the coordinator because this, to me, seems like it's case-by-case basis.

I have a trick that requires the use of a camera phone (Ghost Camera), I'm going to run it by the coordinator and hope it works. Mainly because I'm having to locate some seriously hard to find Pokemon cards to make the trick work the way I want to present it.If it's a no go, I'll be beside myself and eat Ben & Jerry's for a week.

Also, in the same light as sponge balls; I know there's not a whole lot of tricks that involve this. But anything with strobe lights or pulsing lights. Don't use it. I had a trick that used something like this (The Third Eye) and it didn't hit me until I sat down and messed with it that it COULD be a danger to epileptics. While I haven't heard of any stories of any magician causing epilepsy with a trick they were using, you don't want to be the first one that does.

D*Lites are fine, as long as you're not rapid-firing the light and being a complete chuckwagon about it.

Also, be prepared to do like a small show or a parlour show. Of the 4 hospitals I have been in talks with (1 in Las Vegas at the time. 3 in Texas), they all have 1 thing in common: a playroom. This is a place where kids who are doing....better...For lack of a better term; kids can go to. They generally do shows and other promotional events in there. Find out maximum occupancy and try and work the size of your props and show effects accordingly in case you do get maximum occupancy.

Some hospitals may allow you to do walkaround magic from room to room. A lot of Youtube videos that display magicians in hospitals show them doing this. However, I have only had 1 instance where I COULD have done this (Las Vegas). The other hospitals didn't even pose this as an option. I have some theories:

1) The Las Vegas hospital only had a pediatrics wing, so it's possible for a magician to go room to room and see ALL the kids, plus being able to do a show in the playroom.
 

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2) the hospitals in Texas I talked to are dedicated childrens hospitals. It'd be impossible to see every child, and so I guess the only way to give it some fairness is to have a playroom only performance (some hospitals have a media wing in which they can televise your show and stream it throughout the hospital).

3) Because we see well known magicians doing room-to-room stuff, I am guessing its because they have proven clout, as opposed to someone like me who has VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE. If they do room-to-room, I'm thinking they want to see you in the hospital more than once every blue moon and not let any random entertainer pop into any room--Build rapport! That's the term I'm looking for! They would want rapport before they would let you do that. The other reason is that I know there's some HIPAA stuff involved with room-to-room. Someone has to be escorting you, and in there might be manning issues that could prevent room-to-room from happening altogether. Ultimately, it comes down to the coordinator and their superiors.

So despite a possible lack in room-to-room, have some tricks on you that do play from the pockets and use them pre-show to warm up the kids.

When talking to kids, you have to be careful of what you say. You can't ask things like why are they there and whatnot. Also, DO NOT say things like 'get well soon', 'hope you get better', etc. Because some of these kids will not get better--some of them even know it. This is something that will more than likely be covered in an orientation class. But in the off chance you volunteer at a hospital that doesn't have an orientation class, I would HIGHLY ENCOURAGE you to either do a lot of research on what is okay/not okay to say. Maybe even turn around and volunteer at a hospital that DOES an orientation, just to play it safe.
 

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I have not begun doing hospital shows--yet. I originally had a timetable to spring of last year. But 2016 was a dumpster fire; financially and personally. Tried shooting for spring, and finances weren't there, and I got hospitalized in April and I couldn't get on a stable med regiment until November. I SHOULD be able to get the show settled by the end of this year (application approved at either end of this year or beginning of next year) because the finances are going to be all right and I can actually fund everything I would need.
I'm sorry to hear that. But on another note, It's also nice to hear that things are getting better for you :)

What I'm about to say is only applicable to volunteer your time in hospitals with the sole intention of doing this for non-profit ONLY. I know that magicians do work with certain charity functions and there is sometimes the issue of getting paid for your time and the ethics regarding that. I believe that the people that need magic in their lives are the ones that are not able to make it to a show. So, non profit volunteer magic.
Although I do want to make money from my magic at some point, I had never planned to do it through volunteer work at hospitals.

Depending on where you live, Open Heart Magic may be a group applicable to you.
I'll check it out.

As for what tricks to do and what not to do. The hospital doesn't know exactly what is, or could be, in a magician's repertoire. They do have some HARD 'NO!' items such as: fire, smoke, animals, latex, and anything that makes a mess.
One thing to keep in mind is the kind of magic you want to do and that you're going to be in contact with sick kids. With that in mind, NO SPONGE BALLS. Absolute bacteria bath for every kid after the first one who handles them. Great trick. Just not for a hospital. I have seen some videos where magicians do sponge balls in a hospital. Just do the courteous thing and don't do it.
Makes sense

Tricks using vapor of any kind. I think the trick Stewart Edge uses is called Frozen. I could be wrong. That, and tricks like Vapr. I'm not all too clear of how they work and whatnot, but I can almost guarantee that even if you explain the mechanics and (if they are safe), you won't be given a go-ahead for them.
Also makes sense.


Religious overtones in tricks or routines. This will get you blacklisted.
I'm not religious so this shouldn't be an issue.

Mental magic if iffy. While some self-working stuff is easy and has instant reset value. From experience, mental magic will either flop, or EVERY KID WILL WANT YOU TO READ THEIR MIND. Do you want to be swarmed by 60 kids for individual mind readings? I had 30 kids swarm me at a church function because of this. You. Will. Weep.
Haha sounds like you've had some experience. Do you know what kind of mind reading trick it was? If so, do you know the name?

If you have a website or an actual business and try to promote yourself in the hospital through business cards and such, you will be blacklisted.
I'm not professional so this shouldn't be an issue either lol.

Quoting things on here is bugging me so I'm just gonna respond like this. I don't really know any tricks that involve light other than D'lites and Magma which are basically the same concept. Also, most of the tricks I know that involve my phone are mentalism tricks.

I also don't do card magic for young children as it tends to be a bit complicated for them. In my experience, card tricks with young children tend to fall flat unless it's very visual. The longer routines with cards tend to get lost on them.

As for the playrooms, I wouldn't really mind doing that so much. One thing I was worried about was what I could and could not say to the kids so thank you for the advice on that!

Are there any specific tricks or types of trick you could recommend? I've sort of come up with a list and I know there are probably hundreds you can think of but I'd love to know which are your personal favorites when it comes to kids' magic. I could list some of the tricks I've come up with if you'd like.
 

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2) the hospitals in Texas I talked to are dedicated childrens hospitals. It'd be impossible to see every child, and so I guess the only way to give it some fairness is to have a playroom only performance (some hospitals have a media wing in which they can televise your show and stream it throughout the hospital).

3) Because we see well known magicians doing room-to-room stuff, I am guessing its because they have proven clout, as opposed to someone like me who has VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE. If they do room-to-room, I'm thinking they want to see you in the hospital more than once every blue moon and not let any random entertainer pop into any room--Build rapport! That's the term I'm looking for! They would want rapport before they would let you do that. The other reason is that I know there's some HIPAA stuff involved with room-to-room. Someone has to be escorting you, and in there might be manning issues that could prevent room-to-room from happening altogether. Ultimately, it comes down to the coordinator and their superiors.

So despite a possible lack in room-to-room, have some tricks on you that do play from the pockets and use them pre-show to warm up the kids.

When talking to kids, you have to be careful of what you say. You can't ask things like why are they there and whatnot. Also, DO NOT say things like 'get well soon', 'hope you get better', etc. Because some of these kids will not get better--some of them even know it. This is something that will more than likely be covered in an orientation class. But in the off chance you volunteer at a hospital that doesn't have an orientation class, I would HIGHLY ENCOURAGE you to either do a lot of research on what is okay/not okay to say. Maybe even turn around and volunteer at a hospital that DOES an orientation, just to play it safe.
Thank you So much for the advice by the way! I really appreciate it man!
 
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