The Big Tiny
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It is in fact impromptu. As you may or may not already know, it can also be found in Paul Harris' True Astonishment set. The only the that you need to prepare for the trick is to ruin a deck. unless of course you like someone's name written along the side.
A lot of people seem to like it, and yes it is impromptu. But somehow the effect has never seemed worth ruining a deck for. Especially here, where one deck of bikes is $10. Worth $10 a performance? Definitely not imo - although obviously it's different for others say in the US getting a dollar a deck. That's not so bad.
The other thing is, it's definitely not a worker - you can't carry 10 decks obviously.
The other thing is, it's definitely not a worker - you can't carry 10 decks obviously.
Well, it's not worth ruining an expensive deck, sure. But there are other decks out there, cheap decks; nobody said you have to use (lose?) your best deck for this effect. I can get a deck of cards for about 50 cents at the dollar store (well, two for a dollar). They're either plastic cards, or used casino cards. Either way, they work quite well for the effect, and at 50 cents every time I perform the effect--that's more than worth it to me (and to the spectators, I'm sure).
But no, this won't be an effect you go table hopping with, though. I'm not really sure the whole point of the TA set was for table hopping magic, to be honest. I get a real sense of organic, on the spot (feeling) type of magic. Although, there are a few effects that are good for table hopping, this particular effect isn't one of them. Rather, this is a great effect for use when at a party or something (or a private gig).
Definitely a great effect, and I wouldn't pass up on it just because you have to destroy a deck (especially because the deck still survives, and can be used as a practice deck; or the deck can be a cheap one that isn't a big loss, anyway).
But no, this won't be an effect you go table hopping with, though. I'm not really sure the whole point of the TA set was for table hopping magic, to be honest. I get a real sense of organic, on the spot (feeling) type of magic. Although, there are a few effects that are good for table hopping, this particular effect isn't one of them. Rather, this is a great effect for use when at a party or something (or a private gig).
Definitely a great effect, and I wouldn't pass up on it just because you have to destroy a deck (especially because the deck still survives, and can be used as a practice deck; or the deck can be a cheap one that isn't a big loss, anyway).
The Big Tiny is my favorite effect. And that's saying a lot.I have never come across an effect better than this for a close-up setting.
In fact it is somewhere in this video of mine, i think it's in the middle or late beginning. I am not sure, but its there. http://media.theory11.com/2415-The-Moment
Well, it's not worth ruining an expensive deck, sure. But there are other decks out there, cheap decks; nobody said you have to use (lose?) your best deck for this effect. I can get a deck of cards for about 50 cents at the dollar store (well, two for a dollar). They're either plastic cards, or used casino cards. Either way, they work quite well for the effect, and at 50 cents every time I perform the effect--that's more than worth it to me (and to the spectators, I'm sure).
But no, this won't be an effect you go table hopping with, though. I'm not really sure the whole point of the TA set was for table hopping magic, to be honest. I get a real sense of organic, on the spot (feeling) type of magic. Although, there are a few effects that are good for table hopping, this particular effect isn't one of them. Rather, this is a great effect for use when at a party or something (or a private gig).
Definitely a great effect, and I wouldn't pass up on it just because you have to destroy a deck (especially because the deck still survives, and can be used as a practice deck; or the deck can be a cheap one that isn't a big loss, anyway).
That's fair enough about getting a pack of $2 plastic cards or whatever.
It's a groovy effect, tho I don't see it as an "Impromptu" effect. Simply because once you perform it, you are completely finished with the deck.
And yeah, it ain't a worker unless you want to carry around 20-30 decks in your pockets. Which is just silly.
And yeah, it ain't a worker unless you want to carry around 20-30 decks in your pockets. Which is just silly.
Well, this has been discussed in the TA review thread, but I will post it here. First of all, you should use some cheep deck for this, for two reasons:
1. You will spend a lot less money per performance
2. You may want to leave the whole deck to the spectator as a souvenir. Honestly, if someone did this trick for me (me being a layman), and than let me keep the deck with my name on it (apparently a "magic" deck, in my eyes), I would be happy as a little girl on the swings.
But, if you do not want to leave this deck with the spectator, what can you do with it, it's ruined right? Wrong. It can be used as a practice deck, OR even better, you can use single cards for your tricks. Markings on the cards are so tiny (pun?) that you wont notice them in the whole deck. Use those cards in the effects that need cards to be signed, use them as a duplicate cards in the deck, use them as a different back color cards in the deck...
Why not in "Angle Zero", "Ripped and Fryed", "Card Warp", "Torn", every torn and restored card effect, etc... you get the point.
1. You will spend a lot less money per performance
2. You may want to leave the whole deck to the spectator as a souvenir. Honestly, if someone did this trick for me (me being a layman), and than let me keep the deck with my name on it (apparently a "magic" deck, in my eyes), I would be happy as a little girl on the swings.
But, if you do not want to leave this deck with the spectator, what can you do with it, it's ruined right? Wrong. It can be used as a practice deck, OR even better, you can use single cards for your tricks. Markings on the cards are so tiny (pun?) that you wont notice them in the whole deck. Use those cards in the effects that need cards to be signed, use them as a duplicate cards in the deck, use them as a different back color cards in the deck...
Why not in "Angle Zero", "Ripped and Fryed", "Card Warp", "Torn", every torn and restored card effect, etc... you get the point.
The thing is, I currently have 27 decks which can all used for that purpose. I really don't need another, or a bigger pile. Just another factor to take into account.
But again, the biggest factor for me is not being suitable for professional performances.
I had a think about this, this is another thing - unless this is your only card effect, then unless you plan to perform with plastic cards, then you can't use a cheap deck. The undesirability of switching entire deck designs in a manner so obvious cannot be underestimated. This limits its practicality again somewhat. But if you open your set with, say, Card to Mouth, then unless you want to perform Card to Mouth with your cheap deck, you can't very well perform with Bikes and then switch to a cheaper deck for this; or at least, it would be highly inadvisable.
Just some more thoughts... Feel free to disagree though
But again, the biggest factor for me is not being suitable for professional performances.
I had a think about this, this is another thing - unless this is your only card effect, then unless you plan to perform with plastic cards, then you can't use a cheap deck. The undesirability of switching entire deck designs in a manner so obvious cannot be underestimated. This limits its practicality again somewhat. But if you open your set with, say, Card to Mouth, then unless you want to perform Card to Mouth with your cheap deck, you can't very well perform with Bikes and then switch to a cheaper deck for this; or at least, it would be highly inadvisable.
Just some more thoughts... Feel free to disagree though
The thing is, I currently have 27 decks which can all used for that purpose. I really don't need another, or a bigger pile. Just another factor to take into account.
But again, the biggest factor for me is not being suitable for professional performances.
I had a think about this, this is another thing - unless this is your only card effect, then unless you plan to perform with plastic cards, then you can't use a cheap deck. The undesirability of switching entire deck designs in a manner so obvious cannot be underestimated. This limits its practicality again somewhat. But if you open your set with, say, Card to Mouth, then unless you want to perform Card to Mouth with your cheap deck, you can't very well perform with Bikes and then switch to a cheaper deck for this; or at least, it would be highly inadvisable.
Just some more thoughts... Feel free to disagree though
Oh, I agree completely. But what if this was your opener, and than let the spectator keep the cards? You can than grab another deck, and continue your performance. This actually may be a good way to open, because that spectator will be grateful for the gift, and may pay more attention, react better to your effects, and if you do this to a potential heckler, he may not be one after that....
Hmm. Surely you'd still have to pull out the same deck design though.
I know that I've often spoken out against the idea that a deck can be seen by the spectator as inherently gimmicked, but surely switching deck designs, from an obviously cheap deck of cards to one that looks better, would arouse suspicion - unless you still use the same type of crappy deck as before...
I mean, if you were using random Bikes, and then suddenly took out a pack of Guardians mid performance and used them... Surely that would apply to using random cheap plastic deck, and then Bikes?
I know that I've often spoken out against the idea that a deck can be seen by the spectator as inherently gimmicked, but surely switching deck designs, from an obviously cheap deck of cards to one that looks better, would arouse suspicion - unless you still use the same type of crappy deck as before...
I mean, if you were using random Bikes, and then suddenly took out a pack of Guardians mid performance and used them... Surely that would apply to using random cheap plastic deck, and then Bikes?
Prae makes a good point. I would only use the same type of cards throughout the performance / gig. It would look really lame to use a cheap deck of cards and then bust out bikes or split spades...etc. Keep it consistent.
Yeah, I know. I would never do that to. I'm all about consistency and naturalness. I was just trying to find a solution, nothing wrong about that
yeah i agree with all of this... you would have to use the same deck design otherwise it would arouse suspicion... so i mean... if it is a gig, then why couldn't you just waste a pack of bikes. i mean after all it is a gig, and you shouldn't use a cheap deck. bikes are only like three dollars, so it's not that bad.
Well, it depends on the gig.
Firstly, assume that we're in the US, so Bikes are cheap.
Now, if you're performing a half hour show for a private party, where you get the whole half hour as the focus of the group, then that's perfectly alright.
if, on the other hand, you're performing walkaround, then you may perform to as many as a hundred groups a night.
Then, you're in trouble.
Absolutely, there are circumstances where you CAN use it, though.
Firstly, assume that we're in the US, so Bikes are cheap.
Now, if you're performing a half hour show for a private party, where you get the whole half hour as the focus of the group, then that's perfectly alright.
if, on the other hand, you're performing walkaround, then you may perform to as many as a hundred groups a night.
Then, you're in trouble.
Absolutely, there are circumstances where you CAN use it, though.
I don't understand why people would really care whether you use the same back designed cards or not.
I use a propaganda deck and a bicycle deck and switch between them, and no one really cares.
it goes along the line of them not knowing what is coming, so it doesn't matter whether you use a cheap deck and switch or not.
others will probably disagree, but i know that if i was going to do this thats how i'd do it.
Simon_Magic
I use a propaganda deck and a bicycle deck and switch between them, and no one really cares.
it goes along the line of them not knowing what is coming, so it doesn't matter whether you use a cheap deck and switch or not.
others will probably disagree, but i know that if i was going to do this thats how i'd do it.
Simon_Magic