Okay guys so first off, this is not meant to be an argument or a flame session but rather a place were I myself, and hopefully some other people can come to a logical conclusion. First off the orbinase change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wykMtZmsvQc Came across it a while back, and then I posted a video of a change I had created independently, with no knowledge of Chris Brown's move, or any other similar change. This is my color change, whichpeople are saying is the same as the orbinase change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0OQ0xrbVoI Im unsure of the way chris accomplsihes his change, but the fact that my hand CAN NOT leave the deck prior to the change leads me to believe the two techiniques are different. Either way, both of are moves bear a striking resemblance to a move I saw Roger Curzon do, but do not know the name of. You can view Roger's move at 1:15 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-gttABnk1A DISCUSS!!