Unexaminable Objects?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CardMagician12, May 26, 2011.

  1. When you are doing a trick and you do something magic like in Spookey By Jay Sankey when you link the keys and they are not examinable anymore because of the gimmick what do you do? I have a bad habbit of justing saying no no no and going on but I know that is not good for performance skills. How do you keep someone from wanting to examine the unexaminable items you use in a trick? This would really help me become a better magician if I could do this.
     
  2. That's a really tough situation that a lot of magicians get put in. I personally don't have a really smooth way of getting out of it. Pretty much, I just say:

    "No, I don't think so. If I let you see, then I'll have to let everyone see, and I don't trust too many people with my things."

    Yeah, it's not that good but it gets them off your back. :)
     
  3. It depends. Are you just showing one trick or is it part of a routine?
    I think that if they wanna examine it its because they smell something is fishy, maybe you need to work in the patter, or maybe in the conection with the spectator. I recomend to you "La via Magica" by Juan Tamariz (The magic way is the name in english i believe).

    Other than that, you can always go with "You really enjoyed that one? let me show you something more impressive" and proceed with and AWESOME effect that does not requiere a gimmick and blow their minds so they forget about the other one

    Edit:
    Or use your sleeves and change it back to the "normal" object, maybe a pull? whatever works for u man
     
  4. ringing the gaff in and out will serve you well. Sleeves, a magnetic holdout, ditch the gaff as you bring out a different prop, etc. A million things you can do.
     
  5. i would go straight to another routine afterwoods, but makes sure that one is better! just so people cannot keep asking :) the second post is great too
     
  6. How about just vanish it explaining that this sort of thing cannot be real and it's just an illusion after all?
     
  7. Thanks for all the advice guys!
     
  8. The thing you have to do is work on your misdirection so that you can switch your gimmicked object with objects that are examinable. It's usually not a good idea to just ignore the people when they ask to see your props.. it'll make you more distrustful in their eyes. However, if you can draw their attention away for a quick second you can switch the gimmicked prop with the real thing and be able to hand it out. If you can actually get into the habit of switching the gimmick with the real thing after each effect regardless of whether or not someone asks to see the real thing then you'll be golden and it'll keep all suspicion off you because then if someone does ask to see it they won't be able to see you switch it because it's already been switched. I hope that helps.
     
  9. #9 Mat La Vore, May 27, 2011
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    This is a good topic for discussion. Here are some of my thoughts and tips on this magical dilemma:

    1. Put the unexaminable gimmick in their hands on your terms whenever possible. For example, asking a participant to open their hand and putting the gimmick in their open palm before the effect begins creates the illusion later that they examined the object, or that they could have examined it if they had wanted to. For example, JJ Sanvert, when he performs Cigarette Through Quarter, puts the coin in his participant's hand after he's done the switch for the gimmicked coin. He places it in their hand with the lit part of the cigarette lying against the coin. Now they can't examine the coin because there's a lit cigarette on top of it. He is still in control despite how things appear. Another example of this is having the participant actually do some of the work handling the gimmick to aid in the magic. I do a coins across routine with a shell in which the shell is in the participant's hand for half the effect. They even nest and un-nest the shell to aid in making the coins appear and disappear. While this is bold and does require some steady audience management, it gives the participant a feeling of control that satisfies whatever desire they may have to examine anything.

    2. Build credibility before doing effects that use unexaminable gimmicks. If the effects you perform beforehand all give the audience some control, you will build credibility. If you let them shuffle the deck, do magic with their borrowed coin, etc., in the beginning, and they accept that everything is open and fair because you have created that atmosphere, they will assume whatever effect you perform later on is the same because you have conditioned them to believe that is so through the credibility you have earned with your repetition of being transparent and fair with all your props prior to the effect using the unexaminable gimmick. Note that the magic you do beforehand, though, needs to be just as strong as the magic you're going to do later with the unexaminable gimmick.

    3. Don't use unexaminable gimmicks. This may sound trite, but if using gimmicks that are unexaminable is an issue for at this time, perhaps it may be best to hold off on them until you feel more confident to take on the challenge at a future time, if ever. There are tons of great effects out there to choose from. Having a criteria for what you perform only helps in making the magic you perform more discerned and distinct to your style. Perhaps working on the audience management skills required to be capable of using an unexaminable gimmick would be a better use of your time at the moment. For example, put an advert card that comes with every pack in your deck and perform without trying to let anyone see it. If someone asks to examine tour deck or if it shows up, you can be sure someone is going to ask what it is. Lucky for you, it's just an advert card you can easily dismiss. It's a good exercise though with an easy out.

    4. Work out a handling with a deceptive switch or ditch. Many magicians will say "just switch it out." And while this is a great remedy for the problem here, it doesn't address the issues that will certainly arise when the heat is on. Laymen often sense that an unmotivated shuttle pass is the guilty action of a switch and that you are not being truthful with the object you are handing them to examine. A well-timed and executed sleight, however, can take them off the trail. For example, when Garrett Thomas performs Cigarette Through Quarter, after a participant has taken out a quarter, before he even touches it, he tells them he wants them to watch him closely and make sure he doesn't switch it because that's what people often think. He then picks up the coin and switches it right in front of them in one of the most deceptive ways I've ever seen, and no one is the wiser. And that's part of what makes him a good magician--rather than hoping the audience doesn't catch up with where he is, he assumes they're already ahead of him, addresses it so he's working under what appear to be "test conditions," then doubles back and does exactly what he said he was not going to do by using a handling deceptive enough to stand up to the scrutiny.

    Hope that helps and gives you some options to consider. :)
     

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