Thought of card to pocket?

Sep 12, 2016
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So I was watching some magic videos and came across this.
Trick starts at 1:30
He basically pulls out a deck spreads them out face up and asks them to lock one in their mind. The camera then cuts to the reveal of the thought of card in his pocket. Now it doesn't show what he does after spreading the cards so I'm thinking he did something there but I was hoping if any of you knew what this effect is and if you will kindly point me in the direction where I can learn this.
 
Dec 6, 2015
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Dominus Dolorum asked about a similar effect a while ago. In that one, a card is placed on the table, the spectator names a card, and the card is turned over to be the one they named. This was my response to that one:

Michael's right, for a version where the card appears in your pocket, the most common way would be a card index, found in Step 4 of 13 Steps to Mentalism (Kolossal Killer would give you the same result and is a little easier and more accessible)

If you truly want at least the appearance of only one card in play the whole time, most commonly you'll find methods that use verbal, psychological, or both means.
There are thousands upon thousands of scripts and structures out there that use these. Since these methods are gimmickless and sleightless they rely on the human brain, and since the brain is endlessly complex the methods are endless too.

Peter Turner is a big fan of psychological forces, and outlines them in a lot of his work - some of his volumes are dedicated to teaching you how to psychologically force any number or card in a deck. Kenton Knepper also outlines many similar effects in his Wonder Words series, which includes some of the most influential ideas on the use of words and suggestion in modern mentalism. One of these effects, called Truly Invisible, he includes in the Kolossal Killer manuscript (original one only). It requires good participant selection and you'll have to take the card out in the middle of the effect instead of the end, but it's equally powerful.
In the follow up manuscript, Killer Konceptions, Knepper takes the amazing use of the Kolossal Killer as a practical out and applies it to many psychological and verbal forces which on their own, many people would be too scared to use them because of the chance of failure (which becomes smaller and smaller with practice) but now have a safety net with the Killer. The effects and subtleties are incredible, however they are intended for mentalists and so magicians might not feel comfortable with them. They also only graze the surface of the psychology behind them.

You don't have to go gimmick and sleightless though. There are some gimmicks that can help make these methods cleaner/smoother such as the Invisible Card here on T11, sleights such as Shin Lim's The Switch, and endless containers like the Toibox system and David Regal's Clarity Box which can work with sleights to accomplish this effect.
Finally, the ability to pull the exact card you need from your pocket is invaluable - it can be incorporated into all the methods mentioned above. A reference for this can be found in step 4 of 13 Steps to Mentalism.
Hope that helps!
 
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Sorry, I hadn't watched the whole trick before I commented.

The method in the video you shared doesn't seem to be verbal or using gimmicks, but more of a psychological force. Derren Brown is a fan of the same method, as seen here

I'm not sure of the exact script and cards used in the video you shared but with a bit of planning and trial and error you could find a similar force that works for you and your own type of audience.
 

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The method of the trick in the Stephen Fry video is not a psychological force it's a gimmick. It's in one of his books.

The video in the OP doesn't give enough information to narrow down what he's doing. It's likely an index of some sort, but we're also likely missing a solid half to third of the actual performance. The way it's edited, the deck spread may not even be part of it.
 
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Sorry, I hadn't watched the whole trick before I commented.

The method in the video you shared doesn't seem to be verbal or using gimmicks, but more of a psychological force. Derren Brown is a fan of the same method, as seen here

I'm not sure of the exact script and cards used in the video you shared but with a bit of planning and trial and error you could find a similar force that works for you and your own type of audience.
I believe that Is Darren browns smoke which could be found in the devils picture book. I'm pretty sure he is using a mp deck.
 
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