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Like I said before, XCM is entertaining in it's own right, with or without 'magic'. A magician does not need 'XCM' to look credible. I've never seen Burger whip out a XCM move... I think magicians do appreciate it more because of reasons already stated. That said, XCM can sometimes move...

heh. I would have to agree to an extent. It's okay to be a "juggler" of cards. But I think it can be a really elegant way of performing magic when you use XCM, like the Bucks teach. So, magic without it is great, with it is also great, and XCM solo is also great. (But if your trick...

depends what fine country you live in! ;):p j

or perhaps if the plunger was metal, you could magnetize it with a big rare earth magnet, so that the ball would stick to the plunger. Then I suppose you would have to make that into a trick, otherwise you would just have a ball stuck to a plunger....

Perhaps a PK ring if there is an opening in the glass somewhere... Also it may wreck the machine, that would be good to check into... ...not a cool trick when you have to pay to fix it... j

I really enjoy Hot Leads by Jim Pace. Not a "trick", but very cool. J

Agreed. And that purple/yellow deck is horrendous! imo ;) j

Imagine setting up a window in your house like that tho? Sweet.

Is he using 1 editions or second editions in that vid? j

I spoke with Shawn and he said Cyril is using his routine without permission. Insulting at best, I'm sure. This is the same routine that Shawn has won many competitions with. Although the concept has been around a while, Shawn improved the method so that the box could be given to the spectator...

I'm looking forward to the 2nd editions. However, I won't be getting them until I see some reviews (Fool me once...). Do you guys get to try them out at all? Did you guys not realize that the first editions clumped and didn't fan properly? Didn't you guys work for E with all their 2nd editions...

Great thinking. There's a lot going on there, but I think it could all work quite well. I like the idea of using stigmata with flame, but I have too much arm hair. So that trick would stink. ;)

Hey if it works with your magic, all the power to you! I'm sure guys like Dan and Dave and many others do just fine with it! As for me, I like to do flourishes for me. I only do a few that are fun for me. I get more oohs and aahs from springing the cards than anything else. I like to...

So anyway...on topic.... When I saw this thread, I expected more rational discussion... I can totally see the point that was initially made. Encouraging someone to believe something that will hurt them is wrong. Whether that be "faith healers" doing "surgeries" or religious...

heh, funny enough, I just got back from my class today, and one of the guys is assisting the youth pastor at his church and asked me if I would be interested in coming to do some magic and share my testimony with the students. I agreed, so I'll keep you posted with an update. Justin

It could be a great idea. I've seen lots of different things like you're describing. We need to remember that the church works best when it is weak. Yes, we can get numbers through mega-churches an glitz and glamor, or impressing others with our incredible feats of entertainment. However it...

Thanks, that's giving me some interesting ideas! j

I like this idea a lot. In fact now that I'm thinking about it I have definitely referenced magic when sharing the gospel. One time in particular, I had shown this student some tricks earlier in the evening, then as you finished up, and after the devotional, she came up and started asking some...

The only gospel routine that I use is using slush powder. (I learned this at a church children's Sunday school convention) (I assume this isn't really exposure because it is obvious what slush powder does...) You need: 2 clear plastic cups and 1 Styrofoam cup Some slush powder Some red...

Perhaps coming from a different perspective, this may seem odd, but the reality is that Christians are genuinely faced with these dilemmas and it is really great to read and discuss what others are thinking and feeling. Hope that helps. J