DND vs JS (Modern Vs Classic)Your opinions

Jul 15, 2009
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Dan and Dave versus Jay Sankey

For over a year ago, I was a huge Jay Sankey fan. I collected a large number of his dvds. As soon as the dvd was on the market, i would try my best to get my hands on them. My magic composed purely of his material.Purely...

I discovered that the more I do his material,my friends sooner or later found out how i do it. Its not that I flash, its just that they soon become more attentive to my hand positions,etc. In other words, my magic became really shark-able.

Then just recently, I got my hands on the trilogy. Well, yeah at first i thought its another old school magic material that i can easily shark(like most magic I see in youtube) But then as I watched the performance of the magic,most especially in the tricks and the everything else disc, i was blown away.

New flourishes, sleights and routines.I could not help wonder why jay(being a 40 year experienced magician) couldn't have been introduced to the methods in dan and dave's vids.

Basically, in the videos, I tried to shark the moves and the magic, but boy there were too much that i couldn't even figure out the method not unless i saw the tutorials. Lets face it, the twins are just 12 years in experience but they pushed my expectations to card magic to a whole new level.

On the plus side for Jay,the twins lack the decades of knowledge he had. (obviously)When I perform magic wit DnD Material, I could not help but still incorporate principles by Jay

To sum it up,both groups had helped me in many ways. I know no magic is better,but think about this...Some magic are shark-proof, not only to magicians but most especially to lay people.

Jay had been a great teacher,DnD had provided more than i needed.
To you guys, who do you think is better in term of shark-proffness,and materials in the dvd. I'llbe glad to hear from you all.

NOTE:
SHARKING=figuring out the method of a certain effect by only watching the performance.
CARD SHARK=Sharks specifically expert in card magic sharking.

Please do comment:;)
 
Mar 6, 2008
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WOW where do I begin.

Sankey has not been in magic for 40 years, I just found that funny.

I would consider the Buck Twin's to be more classical than Sankey. And we all know how 'classical' they are. But Sankey's ideas not just in presentation but in method are so unconventional that his comment on Revolutionary Coin Magic about taking too much acid may have more truth than some people believe. The Twin's take more classical ideas transpositions (Tivo etc.) Hof's Ace Problem and sandwich/collectors and modernize them. Whereas Sankey just makes up a concept and figures a method to achieve it.
 
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I spoke to my dad recently and he regrets even creating Jay because of his ridiculous amount of poor releases.
 
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May 18, 2008
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Oh wow. Well...

It won't come as a surprise to any of you that I have been a HUGE Sankey fan for years. I REALLY like all of his material and disagree. I don't think he has come out with a bad release yet.

Of course the fact that your repitoire used to consist SOLELY of Sankey material means that you really needed to get out more.

Jay Sankey is a REALLY nice and creative guy (I have met him) and comes up with AWESOME stuff, but he isn't the only one out there. You have to learn to use a mixture of a LOT of magicians, and most importantly, YOU.



Dan and Dave Buck are relatively new in comparison, and they have some good stuff too.

But the stuff is SO different that it is tottally not possible to compare. I am a big fan of both, but it is like apples and oranges. Both fruit, but nothing alike.

In terms of "sharkproofness", neither. It all comes down to performance, misdirection, whether you are doing well that day... Neither of them have bad magic that would be exposed, unless you are a bad performer or put on a bad performance.

Both can be done well, or done badly. And the fact that you showed your friends material more than once... Man... You need to learn the rules of magic.

Don't think that I am hating, either. My advice to you is just to look outside of both. Neither are sharkproof and both can be TOTALLY sharkproof.

Get MWCCIM, Bobo's, and RRTCM. Study those.
 
Jul 15, 2009
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Well, btw I don't perform sankey's effects twice for the same audience. Infact, I perform a variety of effects for a group of spectators. But here's my point, you're a sankey fan right so im sure your familiar with his Double Trouble Effect and Somersault Effect, in which both makes use of a reversed bottom card. Well, my spectators, after seeing one effect and then on the next day or so, I performed the other effect, they would now base their analysis on the first previous effect and quickly shark the 2nd effect.

Those types of incidence is what i'm talking about. He may have the basics, but when it comes to being innovative, he's not that great. Dan and dave on the other hand,have turned more classics to modern stuff. And what'ss great is that they don't often use the standard stuff, but create newer better ways.
 
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