Miller Shift Variation Feedback

Joey144 · Mar 14, 2011

Hey guys

Im playing around with the miller shift alot lately
and I came up with a slight variation

http://vimeo.com/20402914

http://vimeo.com/20552448

( I reduced the sliding action in the second one)

honest feedback would be very much appreciated

regards
Joey

3000GT · Mar 14, 2011

only watched the second variation and like it very much

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

It looks cool but NO way would i ever use it. because the movement
during the shift. laymen may not know what happend they still know SOMETHING happend.

Joey144 · Mar 14, 2011

thanks for your comments

laymen may not know what happend they still know SOMETHING happend.

you're completly right, but that is the case for every table shift (atleast every I know)
doesn't matter if its a pass or a hop, if you burn the hands during the move you will always see "something"
thats why table shifts are usually once a night moves that you would do later at the night after you got everyone at the table used to picking up the cards in the same manner as you do with the shift

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

There are plenty of shifts that can be done with with no odd movement.
Not sure if you had a chance to read arthur buckley's card control or even
watch steve forte's video. there is alot of stuff in there that does not look odd.
even marlo has some really good stuff. like i said it looks cool. but not something i
would use in fast company.

Joey144 · Mar 14, 2011

Not sure if you had a chance to read arthur buckley's card control or even
watch steve forte's video. there is alot of stuff in there that does not look odd.

yeah watched the gambling protection series
in fact my last sentence was almost a complete quote of steve fortes conclusion on table shifts, maybe you wanna re-watch those tapes

There are plenty of shifts that can be done with with no odd movement.

im really interested now

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

I dont need to i Know what works and what does not. anyways you asked for feedback
and i gave it. maybe forte needs to re-watch his tapes. he was the one arrested for
cheating. and im not sure if you ever hustled for money? i did it for 3yr. and have learnd
what to do and not to do.

Joey144 · Mar 14, 2011

no need to get angry or to insult anyone
im still interested in the "plenty" of shifts that don't have any odd movement

maybe forte needs to re-watch his tapes. he was the one arrested for
cheating

neither you nor me should talk about something like that, because we both DON'T know what happened there

anyways you asked for feedback
and i gave it

Yes I did and Im thankful
and then I illustrated my point of view, and you said Im wrong without proofing it, whereas I atleast mentioned the source I got it from

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

I will be the first to admit alot of the gambling move look great
and are cool to play with but only a select few will you use. at a table.

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

you got a point there. have you tried practicing
the one handed shift. or draw shift? when done well
you wont see it. or even using a breather crimp. to
nulify the cut.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

rich23 said:
I dont need to i Know what works and what does not. anyways you asked for feedback
and i gave it. maybe forte needs to re-watch his tapes. he was the one arrested for
cheating. and im not sure if you ever hustled for money? i did it for 3yr. and have learnd
what to do and not to do.

He was never convicted.

For those wondering how the court systems work in the US - even if you're found innocent at trial, to even be brought to trial (or even have your case reviewed by a jury for indictment), you are arrested.

Charges were dropped on Forte. And to my knowledge, he's never actually pulled the moves at a table - atleast, that's what I see people say. I have no idea, to be honest.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

rich23 said:
you got a point there. have you tried practicing
the one handed shift. or draw shift? when done well
you wont see it. or even using a breather crimp. to
nulify the cut.

What one-handed shift are you referring to? And what's the draw shift?

As far as shifts go, there's only two I know of for a fact that have been used on the table. One of them is Doc's shift. Joey, you should be able to find the basics of it somewhere on the Cafe (probably in Secret Sessions, if you have access to it). The only other one I've ever heard about being used is Joe Artanis' one hand shift, but I'm not too sure of the context it's been used it - so I'm talking out my ass on that one.

EDIT: My first two questions may seem a bit harsh in nature - I didn't intend for that. I'm legitimately curious (no sarcasm and whatnot intended).

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

they are both written up in card control (arthur buckley)
you can find them alot more detailed in marlo' book marlo with out tears.
as for the one's you are refering to im not sure if i have seen them or not.
maybe i have but did not not the name. i will look them up and see.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

rich23 said:
they are both written up in card control (arthur buckley)
you can find them alot more detailed in marlo' book marlo with out tears.
as for the one's you are refering to im not sure if i have seen them or not.
maybe i have but did not not the name. i will look them up and see.

I believe the draw shift you're referring to is "The switch at draw poker", but I may be wrong. I'll check on that later.

I don't own the Marlo book you are referring to.

Doc's shift can be seen in his expose video. The only video I have seen of the Artanis shift is on the Fast Company DVD set.

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

Both these shifts are used to restore the cut. if you
get a chance pick up arthur buckleys book, if you dont have it.
there is some good stuff. on doc's shift it is very clean. i really like it.
i have not had a chance to see the fast company dvd set.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

rich23 said:
Both these shifts are used to restore the cut. if you
get a chance pick up arthur buckleys book, if you dont have it.
there is some good stuff. on doc's shift it is very clean. i really like it.
i have not had a chance to see the fast company dvd set.

I've got the Buckley book, but I haven't extensively read it. I'll check out the shift later. Doc's shift is a variation on the Frank Thompson shift, if you weren't already aware. And the Fast Company set is AMAZING - great teaching.

rich23 · Mar 14, 2011

who put out fast company???
in the book its. pg.107,108,109. three diffrent methods.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

rich23 said:
who put out fast company???
in the book its. pg.107,108,109. three diffrent methods.

The instruction was by Damien Nieman and produced by Grant Carden films. Here's the official site: http://www.fastcompanydvd.com/

ReservoirRed · Mar 14, 2011

There's plenty of crticism here but i liked it alot.

saborfang17 · Mar 14, 2011

ReservoirRed said:
There's plenty of crticism here but i liked it alot.

Most of the conversation on this thread wasn't actually criticism. There isn't much to say. In fact, I'd LOVE any tips Joey can drop by, as he seems to have fixed quite a few angle problems, seeing as he does it from one of the worst angles to do it from on one of the two videos he linked us to.