yah, so recently i joined up on e forums... not cool stuff. They don't talk about any products that aren't on ellusionist. It doesn't even look like they are allowed to. I asked someone about rich fergison's tagged, just a few simple questions like how easy or hard is it, are there any stooges, ect, (just making sure i don't buy a dvd to tell me something stupid,). So they come back and kinda make a stab at me saying i need to read longer posts and stuff saying that i didn't read hard enough and that my questions were answered in the posts. Why the hell would i ask if they were right there? And the weirdest part was that rich fergison was saying the same thing... he was all "yah dude don't rush reading the posts. It's not a very hard trick. Don't rush it or you will have looser written on your arm. lol jk" yah he said that. With loser spelled wrong. I'm a little offended that someone who isn't very advanced in magic and just wants to know a few things about an effect would get busted down by the trick's own creator. No offence to e or fergison but i'm not returning to that forum and i'm debating if i should even pay 30 bucks for the trick... weird stuff