You've probably heard this 1000 times but I need tips on my pass

Oct 3, 2017
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I've been practicing for a year. I've seen both jason England and xavior spades downloads on the pass but I don't see much development. I'll attach a video. A few tips would be great.
 
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I can't give you much help cause I've only been doing magic for 3 months. You brought up spades project. I'm wondering if it is worth it to get it. My pass needs a lot of work.
 
Oct 3, 2017
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I can't give you much help cause I've only been doing magic for 3 months. You brought up spades project. I'm wondering if it is worth it to get it. My pass needs a lot of work.
It's definitely worth while, he goes through lots of little things that make your pass a bit more invisible
 
Jan 26, 2017
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There is too much motion in the deck. The Pass isn't meant to be a perfectly invisible move. It is only useful if you do it with audience control and misdirection. You are making it into a move. Don't make it a move, just do it casually.

Hold the deck much lower at a casual place. It doesn't need to be fast. It Doesn't need to be invisible. It just needs to not exist - the audience should never know something just happened.
 
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There is too much motion in the deck. The Pass isn't meant to be a perfectly invisible move. It is only useful if you do it with audience control and misdirection. You are making it into a move. Don't make it a move, just do it casually.

Hold the deck much lower at a casual place. It doesn't need to be fast. It Doesn't need to be invisible. It just needs to not exist - the audience should never know something just happened.
Thank you, I will definitely try to use this advice to my advantage, I usually try to do that when I perform but I'll try not to make it a move
 
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WitchDocIsIn

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Focus on the classic pass instead of the riffle pass. Things designed to hide the action, such as riffles or jiggles or whatever, should only be added on to a competent pass, not used to make up for lack of skill. Using them to make up for lack of skill only cements that lack of skill into permanent habits.

When doing the classic pass, focus on keeping the packet that ends up on top as still as possible. Use the top hand index finger and thumb as a pivot point, keep the rest of the fingers still as possible.

The two biggest tip offs for the pass are: 1) Finger flutter and 2) Too much tension.

Finger flutter is decreased by planting the fingers. For my it's my left index shooting straight out, and my right pinky extending out and right. So I curl my left index under the deck, and I press my pinky against my right ring finger.

Or ... you can ignore the pass all together because it's really not necessary in modern card magic and is generally used to prove how good you are to other relatively new card magicians.
 
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Josh Burch

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Slow deliberate practice is 1000 times more effective than fast sloppy practice.

Tension draws focus, look at yourself in the mirror and see where the most tension is. Work on eliminating this tension.

Maybe try to perform the pass as part of an effect. This could help you to find the real world timing of the move. Then again, introducing a less than perfect move into a routine makes it a less than perfect routine.

You look like you are on your way. I am of the belief that there is no such thing as a perfect classic pass. If you have watched Alex Pandrea and Xavier Spade than you know this is true. Sometimes they get it to look crazy silky smooth but even the best have improvements they can make from pass to pass. All that to say, don't be discouraged, the goal is hard and almost impossible to obtain.
 

coffeeparamedic

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So.. i am jumping in on the band wagon...

I am extremely new to Magic - in my first month.. Been following the Royal Road to card magic and Roberto Giobbi's Introduction book - really enjoying it, but obviously I have fallen for the trap of trying something "cool", so i have learned the Charlier Cut before getting to it in RR, and now also started learning the Pass. I know it is not necessary, but I still want to learn it.
I am still practicing really slowly, and just trying to get the motion.
I just feel like there is so much showing when I practice, and I cannot work how I could every minimise the flash as well as make it faster. Here is a video of me practicing. I am deliberately going slowly - jjust trying to get the motion flowing.
Please let me know comments on how to improve.
I have also bought Xavier Spade and Alex Pandrea's videos and used those to learn.

 
Jan 26, 2017
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So.. i am jumping in on the band wagon...

I am extremely new to Magic - in my first month.. Been following the Royal Road to card magic and Roberto Giobbi's Introduction book - really enjoying it, but obviously I have fallen for the trap of trying something "cool", so i have learned the Charlier Cut before getting to it in RR, and now also started learning the Pass. I know it is not necessary, but I still want to learn it.
I am still practicing really slowly, and just trying to get the motion.
I just feel like there is so much showing when I practice, and I cannot work how I could every minimise the flash as well as make it faster. Here is a video of me practicing. I am deliberately going slowly - jjust trying to get the motion flowing.
Please let me know comments on how to improve.
I have also bought Xavier Spade and Alex Pandrea's videos and used those to learn.

First off, the pass comes with time. A ton of time. At least a year to get it down well (with real life performances) Second off, It is super subjective.

Next, you don't need to have a perfect pass, as stated above. You need to simply be able to control your audience. The beauty of the pass is not that it is invisible (because it's not), but rather because no one sees it.

Read through the Royal Road, you will get more out of that than practicing the Pass for 5 years.
 

TVS

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So.. i am jumping in on the band wagon...

I am extremely new to Magic - in my first month.. Been following the Royal Road to card magic and Roberto Giobbi's Introduction book - really enjoying it, but obviously I have fallen for the trap of trying something "cool", so i have learned the Charlier Cut before getting to it in RR, and now also started learning the Pass. I know it is not necessary, but I still want to learn it.
I am still practicing really slowly, and just trying to get the motion.
I just feel like there is so much showing when I practice, and I cannot work how I could every minimise the flash as well as make it faster. Here is a video of me practicing. I am deliberately going slowly - jjust trying to get the motion flowing.
Please let me know comments on how to improve.
I have also bought Xavier Spade and Alex Pandrea's videos and used those to learn.

sent you a pm
 
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