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Yeah, i just watched Torn but not forgotten, and I see exactly what you mean in the similarities. However, the concept for that, is more or less Danny garcias Torn Too and works nothing like mine what so ever, i do see exactly what you mean by the look of the similarities in it though, thanks...

Sorry about this thread turning sour rebel ace and anyone else who is reading it. Lets get back on track shall we?

Thanks for the heads up man =) Lloyd

Yeah I totally agree man, the last thing i want is for this to turn in to an arguementative thread.

Whoah, thanks for that man, i was getting fed up of his constant messaging to me nit picking at every single thing which i typed. Like G said, I only put the vid up because he asked and I thought you guys would like it, the same with my other vids, if you guys are fed up of them and me, just...

Ah no way, thanks for that man, i'll look into it. I did rush into a bit, just wanted to show something cool ya know? Thanks for the heads up man. Lloyd

For god sake, stop nit picking, what I generally meant was, if i do perform, i perform tricks which I am fully confident will work. So, as for me, when I perform, I would say this is fool proof, but if a total beginner was to do it, then it probably wouldn't be fool proof, same with a lot of...

I said, i am 100% confident with performing this in the real world, nothing wrong with saying that is there? even if i did create it on the same day.

Thanks man, it would be great if you could remember the name of the version you seen man. I really want to find out if my idea is original. Anyway, thanks again for commenting =) Lloyd

Hey, in answer to your question, yes. also, you can have the spec sign the back of the card. Thanks for the question. Lloyd

Hey guys, i was messing around with an idea for a torn and restored card today, so i filmed it quickly just to get some feedback off you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_GH6DjCQpk Also, has this been done before, because im honestly not sure. Thanks guys, all constructive critscm welcome

Just noticed in the demo video that all the spectators have camera strap to a helmet they are wearing, i think this dvd will have actual real live spectators point of view shots, cooooool.

ah, uurrrmm sorry man, i dont know then.

ah i get you, try uploading a lower quality video at dan and daves?

Try exporting your video at slightly lower quality and then upolad that new one on to youtube. That might work.

High five to that, so clever, super visual, i got a vid of me performing this somewhere..

Thanks dude, much appreciated =D

This, i think, will be the making of penguin. http://penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1813 Click the movie sign to watch the demo. Excellent job on the video editing, best from any site so far.

haha, ok then guys, ill try, the new vid won't be up untill the weekend i think cos im super busy. but in the next one the my hands will not drop out of shot.

Hey man, sorry about the card going out of shot, I'm gonna re-film it for you guys, maybe'll I'll fool you then haha! Thanks for the awesome comments guys, keep em coming! Oh yeah as for angles, no, this is pretty darn good. Sorry about spelling mistakes I'm on my iPhone