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ok so you have mentioned the 2 hardest types of people to perform magic for....Engineers And Kids.. oh and dude...kids below a certain age just see trough it all... as for engineers, there are 2 problems: 1)if you present your trick as a puzzle...then you are in trouble. the other problem is...

Damn this editing and Update thing......(you`ve been there) I would love to talk to both of you, or just either one of you...at this point due to how long it actually takes me to be able to reply, it would be better if you could just join me at https://discord.gg/SXWQePs (everyone interested...

....I was editing that last page when it was posted...ah well...this is what "inapropriate behaviour" means...you spend 8 minutes waiting for a thread to load.....even more so when posting...(if you are editing...you are always too late...and then you get the minutes previously mentioned added...

The reason for this explanation in it`s entierty is because BOTH of my disagreements with You are about "reveals". I honestly do apologize....but I also honestly do belive you guys are wrong as well, these days there are youtube videos on EVERY move..WHY tell them to go buy a book...why not...

and just to finish, today I have spent my day with my 3 nephews (ages 6-12) and been doing some mindblowing magic for them...I did a "flash paper envelope reveal" for the 2 oldest ones...and the cash inside wasn`t the big prize for them...the big prize was that afterwards I tore up a few strips...

ok, so I feel I need to apologize to ChristopherT and TylerScottIllusionist I have done you wrong, and I truly DO apologize, in both cases I was drunk. this is not a good enough reason to Post what I did, but unfortunatly it happened...so Again, from the bottom of my heart, I do honestly...

in your Select secrets...is this the first half of your setup: King of Diamonds, Acc of Clubs, Jack of Spades, King of Spades, Ten of Spades ? (underlined is to avoid reveal)

oh and for the love of God, don`t try to edit something you said on a limited account....and dude....trying to access PRIVATE conversations...well..

ok...so you said something bad and a Admin contacted you that your account might be limited.... does this last forever? do I have to wait 15 minutes to read 1 of the topics on the threads for the rest of my life...then if I want to read another one, it takes another 15 minutes....I have to say...

the third deal giving you 4 aces is impossible with the setup described if you follow the explanation, as 3 of the aces will be laying next to eachothers if you spread the hands out. the third deal will give you 3 aces, not 4 as described.

oh and I realised you are this Christopher tisse/christopher strange fella, my google-fu is just off, for some reason christopher taylor comes up when checking out east coast spirit session. I do commend you for creating a pamphlet on how to create characters though

I love all types of magic, however Cards has a special place in my heart...52 thin objects to manipulate...it`s easy to learn, but takes a lifetime to master. oh and to add to the current talk. once you start using Billets,boards or gimmicks in mentalism that requires ANY sleight of hand or...

oh and may I ask how you obtained the rights to "Vernon's classic Out of Sight, Out of Mind"...since you are so insistant on not revealing stuff you don`t have the rights to.... did you learn it from a book and then decided it was ok for YOU to expose how it is done in a book YOU are...

do have to ask though...are you this Christopher tisse that you link to in your signature...or are you Christopher Taylor from the East Coast Spirit Sessions

aha..so you have 2 books written on a subject that is age old...AND you claim it is Yours originally? then you go on rants about exposure...wow

I am sorry...I see no point in discussing this any further with you as you clearly don`t understand the difference between techniques and routines, nor do you understand the value of teaching someone techniques...which speaks to a elitist attitude, which is highly poisonous for the magic...

the next issue here is that The "trick" he is explaining is called "the classic force" a.k.a Invisible force and sometimes called Fan Force...RRTCM was printed in 48, while the classic force is Way older than that...hence, THEY don`t own the rights to it and thus THEY are exposing it....but I...

however....YOU are exposing that the techniques are in Royal Road to card magic in this instance...how is that any different?

so..how is that different than exposing the Same technique learned from another source? writing a book gives you no more right to expose a technique than someone that knows the technique....either trough self-discovery or from learning it from another source the only difference here is that...

or just go to youtube...? and Exposing of tricks is kinda how people Stay interested in magic once they get into it..... and doesn`t Royal road to card magic...expose tricks? the Exposure You are talking about however, is Exposing it to laymen that generally aren`t interested in how it is done