eBay Warning!

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  1. #1 ThisOneGoesTo11, Dec 21, 2007
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    I just wanted to give everyone hear a heads up about something VERY bad that is happening on E-Bay. Here is my brief story:

    I went looking on E-Bay for some magic DVDs that I did not already own and I ran across a person selling both Chris Korn DVDs together as a set. The bidding was VERY low, so I put in a bid thinking that I probably wouldn't win the auction. Turns out I won. My bid was $20.00 and the shipping was $10. Considering that L&L sells these together as a set for $65 without shipping, I though I had found a bargain. THEN I looked to see where the items were shipping from... SINGAPORE! *Ouch!* But the seller, "billy_magic" had a lot of good feedback, is a power seller and almost everyone said the items arrived surprisingly fast even though they were coming from overseas, so I didn't worry too much.

    About a week later I find a slip of paper in my mailbox telling me that I had a package waiting at the post office. I ran down there and signed for the package. First thing I noticed, no return address. This struck me VERY odd as it is now impossible to mail a package domestically in the United States without a return address. I'm not exactly sure why you can't mail without a return address, probably something to do with the current "terrorist panic" which is unfortunately still going on in the United States, but I digress.

    On my walk home from the post office I opened the package and found the two DVDs that I ordered, sort of... They might have fooled some people, but they were obviously bootleg, counterfeit copies. :mad:

    I immediately contacted paypal to attempt to get a refund. To my surprise the seller immediately refunded my money. Probably most people would let it go at that, but the items I ordered were published by Bob Kohler, who I met a few months ago at the local magicians hang out in Las Vegas. Bob is a VERY nice guy and did not deserve to be ripped off by this clown on ebay, so I started the process of notifying everybody I could about billy_magic. Unfortunately ebay does not take things like this very seriously at all. I received an automated email saying "Thank you for helping to keep ebay safe, blah, blah, blah..."

    The bottom line is that ebay doesn't take any action unless they get a lot of complaints. (Maybe others here can help out with that.) So billy_magic is able to operate without much fear of things getting shut down... At least for a while.

    I realize that magician's sometimes "accidentally" copy a DVD for their own personal use, or to give to a magic buddy, which is STILL illegal, but in my opinion that is WAY different than someone creating a business on ebay and getting lots of money from illegal activities and hurting our publishers in the process. Even the "accidental" copy here and there hurts the publishers and the creators of the material, so please don't do it!

    I sent an email to Bob Kohler explaining what billy_magic is doing and giving Bob the option of either me sending him these bootlegs for evidence or if he liked I would just destroy them. Still wanting on a response from Bob... :confused:

    I also contacted a few other agencies who may be able to help shut this thief down; however his "web store" is still up and in operation here:


    I though this would be the end of it but then I received this message from another ebay user:

    "billy_magic sells pirated DVDs, ripping off the copyright of Americans in the process. You should try your utmost to get him shut down. He used to operate under another ebay handle (. That one got shut down and he set up another. Please do report him to interpol, ebay, paypal and Singapore's Commercial Affairs Department.

    You can see that he has made quite a decent living since May 2007. Assuming that each pirated set costs $40.00, he has made over $50 000.00 of tax free dollars to date! I bet you this guy also cheats on his income tax so report him to the Singapore Inland Revenue Service as well.

    Don't let him go with impunity.

    billy-magic is also benmagical. Same old shady operation.

    He will only appear under another ebay handle if ebay shuts this one down unless ebay blocks any more registrations from his ISP."

    Anyway, if you buy things off ebay, please avoid getting ripped off by billy_magic. If you have any contacts within the various publishers of the materials he is ripping off, please direct them to this post.

    If anybody has any additional advise or experiences that may help the situation, please let me know.


  2. Thanks for the heads up man!

    That's why I never buy DVD's anywhere but magic stores or trusted magic websites (Such as the GREAT and AWESOME Theory11. :) )

    But I'm glad you got your refund.
  3. i would keep the bootleg DVDs :)
  4. Personally I never buy things form ebay. After a bad experience. All I have to say id that ebay is not safe or a trust worthy site. You got your money back and that's good but no one will stop him because they don't care. There are many others who do the same even worse. Get rid of the link to the renting dvd site. Stop complainin about something that won't get solved.
  5. Don't buy off Ebay, a friend of mine bought The Trilogy and got porn instead. Well..... he shouldn't be complaining. :)
  6. I agree. I've edited my post, removing all references to THAT site, as I do not condone what they do.

  7. That sounds impossible. Where did he order from.
  8. Ben magical too? I think I bought from him one time because the name seems so familiar. I just checked every DVD I bought from ebay, and their all legit.
    Thanks for the heads up.
  9. Yeah? I'll bet you would keep a murder weapon too, eh?

    As for the original thread topic, I should start giving away everything else I own, too, considering I'm gonna get robbed anyway.


    || sean ||
  10. Wow I wonder how you guys would react if someone killed the bucks.
  11. They can't be killed.

    Plus, I was just messing around...maybe.

    || sean ||
  12. If you bought from Ben magical, then you may have illegal copies and don't even know it. This guys bootlegs fool people, so don't feel bad.

    The way you can tell for sure is to examine the back of the DVD. If the back isn't silver and it claims it is from a major publisher (such as Bob Kohler or L&L) then you (and the publisher) got ripped off.

    Here is how I know for sure:

    Bob Kohler published Cultural X-Change in 2003. If you look on the back of that disc it is silver in color. Around the center hub in hologram letters it says, "RPP-CA DVD400436 BOB KOHLER PRODUCTIONS 01".

    Bob Kohler published Extreme Korn in 2004. What I received from billy_magic looks just like it should; however the back of the disc is blue. Around the center hub it reads, "CMDR47G-CAEWMOH-136 0224". A quick Google search for CMDR47G-CAEWMOH revels that this disc is a VERY cheap 4.7G DVD-R.

    Bob Kohler published Coin Man Walking in 2005. Back of the disc is silver, around the hub reads, "BKP-82202 COIN MAN WALKING". My assumption is that BKP stands for "Bob Kohler Productions".

    Bottom line, Bob Kohler, L&L, Penguin, Magic Smith, and Theory11 originals are not blue. Sometimes independent publishers use blue DVD-R media, however major publishers don't.

    Hope this information helps others identify fakes,

  13. Someone was selling Black Tiger card clips that ship from Taiwan, he emailed me (I'm an ebay seller) offering a wholesale quantity at a great price., I bought one to check them out. They were cheap imitations and not the real deal from Ellusionist. Gotta watch what you buy out there. I get questions sometime people asking if my cards are genuine??? Anybody ever seen fake bicycle cards?
  14. ..............................................................................Ebay.

    I wouldn't order anything from ebay like video games, movies, or CD's. Only reason why is that when you get it, it will be one of these.

    Bootlegged copy
    The real thing if the person isn't bs'ing you
  15. so in the end.

    dont buy from ebay or anyone except the publisher etc.


    support the damn magician etc.

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