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In your opinion what is magic tricks , ?
when you do a magic trick do you pretend to have superpowers ?
or you want to get a close feeling of doing real Miracles ?
and if its not one of these two , what is doing magic tricks is for you ,why do you like to do magic tricks , what is the reason to make people wonder or guess or be amazed, what do you want them to think of when performing to them ?
 

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I am not sure I understand your post, but I'm always game for a philosophy discussion about magic.

when you do a magic trick do you pretend to have superpowers ?
or you want to get a close feeling of doing real Miracles ?

These two things seem like basically the same thing.

So, the two breakdowns that most people use are: It's tricks, or it's real.

The folks who say it's tricks are outright saying, "This is all fake, it's all illusions, I'm just fooling you." The people who go with "it's real" are saying whatever their claim is, is what they are really doing. So with, say, Derren Brown, when he says he's reading body signals and using psychology and statistics to figure stuff out, he's performing as if that's really what he's doing (And it's not). Or if someone performs as a psychic and they refuse to admit to any trickery (Like Uri Geller).

Personally, I don't do either. I present what I hope will be a unique experience which will give them something to think about, or a story to tell to others. I leave it up to them to make the decision as to whether it's real or not.

There's a phrase that gets tossed around, "For the true believer no proof is necessary, and for the skeptic no proof will suffice" (paraphrased). This applies in a lot of ways.

Quick example - when I do my energy transfer routine, the believers in the crowd assume I'm being honest about doing energy work with it. The skeptical folks assume I used some kind of trick that they couldn't see. Most people just enjoy the performance. So my preference is not to try to define it for them and just let them decide on their own.

I already stated it above but my motivation for performance is to put something thought provoking in front of the audience to experience. I have a certain message I deliver, generally along the lines of being nice to each other and staying open to new ideas and strange concepts. That's why I get on stage.
 
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Hello
In your opinion what is magic tricks , ?
when you do a magic trick do you pretend to have superpowers ?
or you want to get a close feeling of doing real Miracles ?
and if its not one of these two , what is doing magic tricks is for you ,why do you like to do magic tricks , what is the reason to make people wonder or guess or be amazed, what do you want them to think of when performing to them ?
I agree with Christopher with almost everything. However there are 2 things I really need to state.

1. You should never believe you have power over anyone else. The moment you start thinking you can do real miracles and are better than someone else is the moment you lose your humility. You lose that, and you just become a pretentious freak. There are over 7.2 billion of us out there. None of them can do real "miracles" (at least the kind you are referring to) - unless you count blood, sweat, tears, and years upon years of helping people.

2. Magic aint really about the tricks. You should care more so on the performance, because at the end of the day, you aren't doing magic for your self. You are doing magic to please/bring joy to/connect with the spectators. At the end of the day, tricks don't matter. Its the performance. I'm not gonna go all in depth and sappy as to why we perform magic, but I'm sure someone will explain it better than me if you don't catch the drift yet.
 
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I agree with the comments of Christopher and Maaz. The best way I can sum up my approach is to say that I do not tell the spectators that what I am doing is real magic, and I do not tell them that it is not real magic, but I act like it is real. I always liked and identified with a statement made long ago by the French magician, Jean Eugene Robert-Houdin (1805-1871): "A magician is an actor playing the part of a magician." And I really try to get into the part...
 
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1. You should never believe you have power over anyone else. The moment you start thinking you can do real miracles and are better than someone else is the moment you lose your humility. You lose that, and you just become a pretentious freak. There are over 7.2 billion of us out there. None of them can do real "miracles" (at least the kind you are referring to) - unless you count blood, sweat, tears, and years upon years of helping people.

I get what you are saying, but want to give a more nuanced perspective. We do have powers over others (think a child begging their parents for something, someone using peer pressure to influence someone's actions, someone saying something mean to make someone feel awful). In magic it's the power to astonish, to entertain and to show someone what appears to be impossible. Further, it is possible to be better than everyone else AND be humble. I think I pull this off in my regular job as a lawyer by being willing to share my knowledge and help others much like I do with magic here on the forums. We can't do "real miracles" but we can do small miracles like providing inspiration, joy, learning, perspective and even humor.

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In your opinion what is magic tricks?

Magic is the medium through which we entertain our audiences and make an emotional connection with them by showing them the real illusion of impossibility.
 
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Just wanted to add a couple quotes which I found that are on topic here and that struck a chord with me:

"It's important to realize that the magician himself, or herself, is often experiencing the very same things that the others watching are experiencing. It's only by the magician entering deeply into that trance that the others will be led to experience the trance as richly and as deeply as the magician" - David Abram

"If you believe it, it is so" - Dariel Fitzkee (Magic by Misdirection)


Note: I do not know from which of Abrams' writings the quotation above comes from, but he is quite a fascinating individual: philosopher, anthropologist, ecologist, teacher, magician, and magical historian. He has been hailed as a "visionary" by a number of sources. Here is an interview with him - pretty deep stuff on his background, his philosophy of magic and what the magician's relationship with the world should be - but inspiring and mind-expanding:
http://www.scottlondon.com/interviews/abram.html
 
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I personally like Teller's quote as the bare definition of magic (mainly to magicians)
"Sometimes Magic is just someone spending more time on something than anyone else might reasonably expect."
 
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