De'Ring is the only DVD (or any other method of teaching, for that matter) I know of that teaches ring manipulation. I realize that E says the difficulty is high, but there are just some things where even the beginning stuff is hard.Heck, Extreme Beginnerz is labled as medium. Basically what this means is that you're gonna have to take the time and effort to practice everything....quite a bit, and it'll probably take longer than most things you've learned to get a handle of. However, ring manipulation just looks cool, and I'm sure you agree, so I think that time will more than pay off.