theory11 Deck Criticism

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Jul 5, 2010
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No , I do not want a replacement for such (in my opinion) a deck of that kind of quality.


Anyway JB , your posts are repititive, with no quantative information in them, all I read over and over again just seems like bs to me, all factored into the fact about how you hyped up your other custom decks and I found them to be very mediocre cards for the price you offer.
 

WitchDocIsIn

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Ok. So, you had a customer complaint. The company you're complaining to offered to try to make it right. You ignored them and keep complaining. Do I have that straight?

You're entitled to be annoyed for any reason, really. But when you slap aside any offers to set things straight, you're not fixing anything. At this point you're just complaining to complain.

Furthermore, if you refuse their offer to replace the decks, you have absolutely no idea about the quality. Scientifically speaking, you can't take the evidence of one small trial and assume that to be the absolute truth. It can only benefit you to take advantage of JB's offer. Either the replacement decks will be the same quality as you've experienced, which will back up your point, or they'll be better, which will mean you have what you wanted in the first place. The only possible negative to getting the replacement is that you might be wrong.

You also keep mentioning that you really don't like the design of the Propagandas. I'm sorry, but you have only yourself to blame for that one. It's not like they don't have pictures on the product page. Did you expectr to get something other than what was pictured?

My T11 deck experience is not that much greater than yours. I got a deck of Guardians and a deck of Propagandas for my birthday last year. Both still fan well, neither clump at all. I've used both quite a bit. My experience is basically the exact opposite of yours. Scientifically/statistically speaking, our results nullify. Only way to know for sure is to continue testing.
 
Feb 4, 2008
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To make my posts simple , the T11 decks I bought did not meet what I call 'standards' , which are the quality of Tally Ho decks and Bicycle Rider Backs.The T11 decks I got did not meet standards in terms of handling , quality , and design(turkey backs and casino deck with logos removed for example).
That's fair....it's your opinion and you have a right to it. People have no issue with that. They have issue with your attitude that they must share your opinion or be labeled a "fanboy." It is also the personal sleights you have made towards some of the T11 "Artists" and staff. Claims that they are a bunch of rich magicians over-hyping their product to make a buck. You didn't think that might rub a few people wrong? These guys aren't a bunch of wanna-bees. T11 has recruited some of the most outstanding talent in card magic. Kenner, England, Asher, Fisher, the Bucks, and that list could go on for a paragraph if I listed every one of them. So basically people are slamming you not for your core point"I don't like T11 decks" but for how you are going about making it. Further more people are also taking offence at your huge leaps of logic. Going from, "I got a deck of cards that clumped on me," to "T11 is engaged in dirty underhanded business practices!" Woah there Tex! If I made that leap of logic every time I got a clumpy deck I would be fuming at half the magic websites on the Internet and Walmart and Sam's Club to boot! I wouldn't be able to buy cards anymore I'd be so miffed!
My family of 3 generations and I have handled cards far longer than any of you so your claims of me not knowing how to handle cards properly is baseless.

Gee....your great grandad played with cards? Wow people hardly ever used cards back then! Sorry to be so snide but I think just about anyone here could make that claim. If you want us to respect your opinion about cards then don't just state your experience. Most of us suspect you are nothing more than a troll (why I am feeding you I have no idea?) Anyone can make claims on the Internet. It is how you talk about the subject being discussed that tips people off to your expertise. For instance, at the core of this issue are some clumpy decks. For previously stated reasons that is one of the poorest indicators of deck quality. A deck might clump for one person but not for another. Take two of my reviews for example. The Massa and the v.4s. Massas clumped on me and died off in a week. They were not a personal favorite and I stated as much. Never the less I wrote a lot of very nice things about that deck knowing that many many people have had good experiences with that deck. The v.4s are in my top 3 decks of all time. They were a wonderful deck IMO. Nevertheless, I had heard reports from others of clumping. I mentioned that in my review. It's called being as unbiased as possible. I happily state my opinion but I won't sugar coat the flaws of a deck that I like(see my Fournier review) nor will I completely trash talk a deck I am unimpressed with(see Tally Ho review). If you are going to write a review show a little integrity and do your best to make it informative for the most people possible. What you wrote was not a review it was trash talk and your subsequent post have not been much better.

Geez this guys got me all riled up....and I have never even used Propagandas or Centurions! Okay, I'm out....I'm done feeding the troll. Cheers fellas!
 
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I say again , my family has been handling and playing with cards for a long time and I am sure that I know the difference between what is high-quality and just plain sucky.I understand that T11 tries to make the highest quality deck possible but in my opinion , hype caused the expectations of these decks to raise and the T11 decks did not quite meet my standards.


Also , in my opinion , T11 hyped up all of their decks , all of the claims of the abilites of the decks contridicted one another's claims (how can 2 decks be the best at 1 time ?).In the end , I don't think T11 stretched their 'infleunce' far enough to ensure the highest-quality possible decks is produced.Bottom line is T11 just wants to sell decks (and tricks) to make money.If only the Propaganda spent 13 months in development instead of 12 months...... I find the claim of the modifiedTally Ho stock false , it feels nothing like Tally Hos.I also find the claim of a certain type of Aristocrat stock being used false.They feel like any other Aristocrat stock decks such as S&Ms.Bee stock in my opinion is much better.Also , I don't think T11 can claim the Stingers deck as their custom deck.It was basically a casino deck with the logos removed.Anyone who goes to the USPCC website could get the Stingers deck (provided they want 2500 decks of cours :p).Again , it supports my theory of T11 making false claims and inargubably false hype/lying.False promises of the decks is the same as lying.

I could be bathing in a bathtub of Jerry's Nuggets now or working for money but I pointed out the flaws for T11 decks and their marketing ways.

Some of the posts in this thread including JB's and Christopher's are repititive and hold no quantitive information.
 
Feb 4, 2008
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I also find the claim of a certain type of Aristocrat stock being used false.They feel like any other Aristocrat stock decks such as S&Ms.Bee stock in my opinion is much better.Also , I don't think T11 can claim the Stingers deck as their custom deck.It was basically a casino deck with the logos removed.

Ding Ding! You win the prize! Because.....
The creative team at theory11 recognized the potential for Bee® Stingers and decided to pursue the printing of the classic design - minus any casino logo(s) - in their original format, and offer them to the public for the first time
Miraculously you have come to the same conclusion about the deck that they have! It is indeed a stinger back deck with the casino logo removed. They offer you a chance to get one in mint condition as opposed to having to buy a used one. That's all. So if they are over-hyping and selling lies about the Stingers then so are you because you both seem to be saying the same thing.
 

j.bayme

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I think the posts from myself as well as numerous other members speak for themselves in response to your review. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts - which is why I stepped in to clarify. Now that that is done, we can put this to rest.
 
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