theory11 Deck Criticism

[MMMM133713371337]

Deck Review: Bicycle Guardians
It has arrived. A deck whose design itself stems from the foundation of Bicycle's classic Rider Back design, only rejuvenated in a more refined, intricate, industrial, modern aesthetic. This is what the classic Bicycle Angels look like. On steroids. Never before has a deck of this quality and level of intricacy been produced. Never before has this much attention to detail been manifested through a pack of playing cards.


The question is. Are they really? I’ve been playing around my deck of Guardians recently, and truthfully, they’re quite a disappointment. It no longer matters whether these cards are the first or second editions. What matters now is the quality of the decks that Theory11 is producing to date.

Initial Look

The Box

The box was really quite pretty at first sight. The deep black hue that was used on the box was an amazing sight from far, and truthfully, quite amazing up close as well.

The Cards

When I opened up the box, the first thing I did was to take the very first card and examine the backs. Disappointment it definitely is. The shade of black that was used on the backs of the cards was nowhere near the colour that was seen at the back of the box. The shade on the cards was surprisingly light, even as compared to the photos seen on the Playing Cards section on the site. Nonetheless the design was fairly refined, a decent shift from the regular rider backs.

I then went through the cards one by one. One thing to note is that the Ace of Spades was definitely well-designed. However, it came smaller than I expected it to be. Overall, one of the sickest Aces ever nonetheless. The Heart and Diamond suit cards had a slightly darker hue of red coloured to them, particularly similar to blood red. Decent, but definitely would have been better if paired with a darker back design.

The Feel

The initial feel was great. Fans and spreads nicely out of the box. I flourished with it for about 20 minutes before airing it for 10, and then placed it back into the box again.

Not Long After…

We shall examine the same cards after a day in the box after opening. Do note that I had washed my hands and dried them before I used the cards for the first time. These cards were also kept in a cool dark shelf, away from any form of moisture and sunlight.

The Cards

They clumped. Badly. And warped in all different directions. I had to spring, riffle shuffle and waterfall the rock hard deck more than thrice and to get each card to separate itself from another. Top it off, the springs feel bad on these cards. The dribbles are fine, just the springs don’t feel good.

The Feel

I can no longer fan nor spread these cards nicely. The cards tend to stick together and fans don’t look pretty. Spreads don’t go as long and smooth anymore. I can no longer tell if adhere to the description: “much attention to detail been manifested through a pack of playing cards”.

Overall

I am extremely disappointed with this deck of cards. I believed that Theory11 was capable of producing top-grade playing cards. “Never before has a deck of this quality and level of intricacy been produced.” This line has never been any more false. This deck is absolutely intolerable after a day of use. They clump right out of the box every single time. I am disgusted to say that these are of even lower quality cards as compared to regular rider backs, despite being 2 times the price.

Deck Review : Propaganda

I was also deeply disappointed by the Propaganda deck as well.What I received contridicted what u said on the deck page.
'Elite Military-Grade Playing Cards. Playing cards uniquely engineered to military precision, with original, iconic style and unsurpassed quality'

What the hell is that even supposed to mean ? These decks are no different than your other decks.
This deck isnt a millitary figher plane where every single thing needs to be precision done so that the operator does not get killed.

'On this day last December, theory11 called an executive meeting with WA007 -one of the premiere graphic design firms in the nation. The result of the meeting was over 12 months of compositions encompassing two distinctive, commanding new designs'
The design was rather poorly done in my opinion.

The backs resemble turkeys which clearly shows the type of originality this deck has.
he fanning clumped very badly after a few minutes of fanning , which is completely unacceptable.
E decks last much more longer than this.

The backs were also off centered , which explains the lack of quality control effort Theory 11 puts in.
Unsurprisingly , the term 'unsurpassed quality' does not deserve to be the tag line of all Theory 11 as they do not even meet the standards of Bicycle Rider Backs.
Sorry if I offend Theory 11 fanboys but E decks are of much better quality.
That is the truth , no matter how much you stress that Theory 11 decks are impeccable in quality.

I hope that Theory 11 will change their way of making decks but I find this unlikely since they take advantage of over-hyped products who are bought by unsuspecting newbies who fell prey to the over-hype.
I find that Theory 11 only cares about making fistfuls of dollars if the quality does not even meet the Rider Backs'.
E decks are much better , I just bought 2 bricks of Shadow masters and they were in excellent quality , which contrasts the poor quality of Theory 11 Decks
This shows that Theory 11 does not put in much effort in quality control , rather only putting effor in making their artists' golden homes shinier.
I can bet that you cannot prove me wrong without making major changes to the way you make decks

P.S. Theory 11 can delete this thread , ban me (sad way to get rid of me) , edit the 'bad' parts , fanboys can bash me but that will only get rid of what I think is constructive criticism


Sincerely ,
ex-customer

 

[j.bayme]

MM -

You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Firstly, this is a deck of cards - it's $4.95 - and USPCC's quality control is not perfect. They're not made by NASA. Factors such as humidity, the conditions on the press that day, and the temperature of your environment can come into play. Our standards, however, are far higher than any other company. This is exactly why USPCC's research and development team works with with us - myself, Jason England, Bill Kalush, Chris Kenner, and several others - to improve and critique their decks better than they can do themselves.

Unlike ANY other company in magic right now, theory11 is the ONLY one that prints only on the casino (highest quality) press. What does this mean? It means your decks will last longer. It means that they will be more durable. And it means that they're more expensive to produce. On the contrary, our decks are also priced the fairest, at nearly HALF of what some other custom deck providers charge. Riddle me that.

We stand behind our work, and if the decks you received are not of satisfactory quality, contact us to resolve the situation in good faith. It happens. Maybe the decks you received were exposed to humidity en route to your location. Maybe UPS man left them in a hot truck for an hour on the way to your house. We store our decks in warehouse in a temperature controlled, secure environment, but that control ends when it leaves our doors. But we want you to be happy - give us a shot. More often then not, our team will leave you with a smile on your face.

 

[Sk8r_St3v3]

Firstly all i can say is WOW, you really have to gripe about the quality of cards for self gratification?

I have both a deck of Guardians and a deck of Propaganda. Neither are my favourite cards but im glad i have them in my collection. The only reason i use them less than my other cards (S & M V4, Wynns and Split Spades) is because i prefer the design of the aforementioned ones.

I found Guardians to be very sturdy, and not clumpy at all, in fact they fanned really well. The stock is very durable and i can see them lasting under a lot of pressure for a long time.

The same goes for the propaganda deck, which is even more smooth and fans beautifully. I also found nothing wrong with the back design and the deck i have is perfectly centered.

So i can not find the reasoning behind your post. You either got very unlucky to recieve two decks that slipped through what i am sure is a very high TQM standard, or you have some personal issue with the success and high level of customer service that theory11 provides. A few immature people have decided that Theory11 have bad standards lately which is totally not true.

 

[MMMM133713371337]

MM -

You are of course entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Firstly, this is a deck of cards - it's $4.95 - and USPCC's quality control is not perfect. They're not made by NASA. Factors such as humidity, the conditions on the press that day, and the temperature of your environment can come into play. Our standards, however, are far higher than any other company. This is exactly why USPCC's research and development team works with with us - myself, Jason England, Bill Kalush, Chris Kenner, and several others - to improve and critique their decks better than they can do themselves.

Unlike ANY other company in magic right now, theory11 is the ONLY one that prints only on the casino (highest quality) press. What does this mean? It means your decks will last longer. It means that they will be more durable. And it means that they're more expensive to produce. On the contrary, our decks are also priced the fairest, at nearly HALF of what some other custom deck providers charge. Riddle me that.

We stand behind our work, and if the decks you received are not of satisfactory quality, contact us to resolve the situation in good faith. It happens. Maybe the decks you received were exposed to humidity en route to your location. Maybe UPS man left them in a hot truck for an hour on the way to your house. We store our decks in warehouse in a temperature controlled, secure environment, but that control ends when it leaves our doors. But we want you to be happy - give us a shot. More often then not, our team will leave you with a smile on your face.

It looks like that above mentioned team has failed their job from what I have experienced.Also , how can you prove that your standards are higher than any other company when I received a less than satisfactory product ?

I don't think my deck lasted more than 2 days.You can say how impeccable the printing press is but in the end , the deck is quite sub-standard.I would rather pay 10 bucks for a guaranteed high-quality deck rather than gamble at 5 bucks a deck.Even if you charge five cents , it makes no difference in the quality.

No offense but defending a deck does not mean that the deck would be of higher quality.

For now , I am playing with my Bee Stingers as they are quite good so +1 for the effort put into the Stingers though I don't think the design is 'custom' but nontheless good job on the Stingers.

 

[Sk8r_St3v3]

I can't believe how ingorant you are MM.

Unless you are sitting there and pressure fanning the cards in a humid atmosphere all day i do not see how either of the decks would last only 2 days...

Just grow up please.

 

[saborfang17]

It looks like that above mentioned team has failed their job from what I have experienced.Also , how can you prove that your standards are higher than any other company when I received a less than satisfactory product ?

I don't think my deck lasted more than 2 days.You can say how impeccable the printing press is but in the end , the deck is quite sub-standard.I would rather pay 10 bucks for a guaranteed high-quality deck rather than gamble at 5 bucks a deck.Even if you charge five cents , it makes no difference in the quality.

No offense but defending a deck does not mean that the deck would be of higher quality.

For now , I am playing with my Bee Stingers as they are quite good so +1 for the effort put into the Stingers though I don't think the design is 'custom' but nontheless good job on the Stingers.

It could be the heat. I once bought half a brick of guardians and left one of the decks in my dad's car for about 45 minutes. Completely wrecked. The guardians/centurions have a sort of waxy finish/ink, I think, which warps in extreme heat.

As for the stingers, they are original in the way they are released. Before, you could only get worn out packs from casinos which had some sort of telltale mark (cut corners, casino logos, etc).


All in all, I think you have not factored in the conditions you live in and have used these cards in. The first pack of propagandas I ever bought is my 2nd best fanning deck, right after my bee stingers..

 

[nIvan]

I completely disagree with your propaganda review. The cards are top notch, look beautiful (not liking the design is no reason to bash after purchase, the images show the design clearly and you can google for better quality images of the full card), and -- even with Floridan humidity -- are not warped at all. I haven't used them as thoroughly, but they have lasted over 4 months going strong.

 

[saborfang17]

I hope that Theory 11 will change their way of making decks but I find this unlikely since they take advantage of over-hyped products who are bought by unsuspecting newbies who fell prey to the over-hype.
I find that Theory 11 only cares about making fistfuls of dollars if the quality does not even meet the Rider Backs'.
E decks are much better , I just bought 2 bricks of Shadow masters and they were in excellent quality , which contrasts the poor quality of Theory 11 Decks
This shows that Theory 11 does not put in much effort in quality control , rather only putting effor in making their artists' golden homes shinier.
I can bet that you cannot prove me wrong without making major changes to the way you make decks

I carefully re-read your post after a while, and this is what I found. And guess what? You're a bloody (censored) idiot. That first bolded statement suggests that you are one of these "newbies" you're talking about. Which means you just got into this and went out, and bought the following: Bicycle Guardians, 909 Edition Propagandas, and Shadow Masters. No newbie does that, the smart ones (key-word: smart) start with bikes, then work their way up to tally-ho's and eventually, custom decks (if they like them).

And since you're a newbie, my next guess is you have NO ****ING IDEA about how to take care of cards (I.E. Don't put them in extreme heat on purpose, don't keep doing pressure fans, don't keep holding/using them for extended periods of time), so you shouldn't be talking, atleast not in that haughty tone that suggests you are better than everybody else and you alone know what you're doing.

EDIT: If you're a newbie, even though you're buying these cards, you just went out and bought 2 bricks of shadow masters for the first time? 2 x 12 = 24. 24 x 6.99 = 167.76. You spent almost $170 on cards that you bought for the first time? I don't mean to be redundant, but once again: you're a bloody idiot.

EDIT #2: That wasn't constructive criticism. Constructive criticism is where you politely point out what you think are mistakes and suggest why it's a mistake, and how it can be fixed. What you did is a false-rant. It's where you rant about sh*t you don't and act like you're king of the friggin' world.

 

[Nino]

It looks like that above mentioned team has failed their job from what I have experienced.Also , how can you prove that your standards are higher than any other company when I received a less than satisfactory product ?

I don't think my deck lasted more than 2 days.You can say how impeccable the printing press is but in the end , the deck is quite sub-standard.I would rather pay 10 bucks for a guaranteed high-quality deck rather than gamble at 5 bucks a deck.Even if you charge five cents , it makes no difference in the quality.

No offense but defending a deck does not mean that the deck would be of higher quality.

For now , I am playing with my Bee Stingers as they are quite good so +1 for the effort put into the Stingers though I don't think the design is 'custom' but nontheless good job on the Stingers.

Wait are you being seroius? I order a deck of propaganda about a year ago and I have use it a lot. It has been shuffle by many people, drop on my dirty floor alot of times and it still fans really good. I have perform with these cards outside with the wierd climate Texas has and they still handle fine.

So maybe you just got unlucky and your cards were killed on the way to your house. So Theory11 do have high quality cards that are worth the 5 bucks.

 

[j.bayme]

I think the responses to this thread speak for themselves - our cards are extremely high quality. But MM, notice that I specifically emphasized that USPCC's press is FAR from perfect. The two words in the same sentence bring a smile to my face - their press is as imperfect as can be. However, what makes our decks stand out are two things:

1. Absolute mastery of what makes up a good deck. Our team works with USPCC's research and development team to help them constantly elevate quality. Just last week, myself, Jason England, Bill Kalush, and Richard Turner received another round of decks to test. These decks aren't just our own - they're standard Bicycle cards that they consistently want to improve the quality of before they reach the Walmart, Target, or CVS near your house. When they send us decks to test that we don't like, we don't sugar coat a single word - it is a very honest and positive relationship.

2. We are the only company in magic that prints only on the web (primary) press. I cannot emphasize enough the difference that makes. There are hundreds of minor factors that determine playing card quality - but there is ONE major factor: which press it is printed on. We are the only ones that have refused to print on the inferior press - the only ones. This means that that "other deck" you may have spent $7.99 on - at best, it was printed on the same press as our decks, which are half the price. At worst, it may have been printed on the inferior press.

At the end of the day, marketing is marketing. But we stand behind our words with a very high standard of quality and a team that is uniquely qualified to do so. Does this mean that every deck we ship will be perfect? Absolutely not! There is no way for us to quality check every single deck shipped without charging $495 a deck instead of $4.95. Factors such as shipping method, climate in your town, how long it was left in the delivery truck, and how clean your hands are all come into play.

But we mean what we say and we try to improve our quality with every new deck we work on. Our quality will only increase. We will only do better. And if you are ever unhappy, we will try to do whatever we can within reason to make it right. I sincerely apologize if, for whatever reason, the decks you received were not up to our standards. But at the same time, please understand that one faulty deck, just like a faulty iPhone, does not and should not be used as a stereotype for all.

 

[timsilva]

Opinions are subjective. You just happen to hold an opinion that only a small minority shares.

I will buy more Theory11 Decks when my current stock runs out, you won't. Enough said.

 

[William Draven]

I'm not one to use custom decks. Frankly I think it's a fad among younger magicians who are just looking for the next "thing" to make their magic "cool". The theatrical applications of using a custom deck themed to a specific look, style, or feel that the magician is trying to achieve with their performance can certainly enhance the quality of the atmosphere the magician creates, but in itself is nothing special.

However with that being said, I've yet to be disappointed with a custom deck from T11. They produce quality decks that look and feel good. They hold up well to being used a lot, and I've yet to really regret a purchase.

Obviously, as with any consumer product, there are going to be mistakes. There are going to be defects, and there are going to be decks that fail to hold up to the standards set forth by the company. This is inevitable. As a company there is nothing you can do to insure that 100% of your product is flawless. Doubly so when you have third parties who are responsible for the production of said product. However I don't think that's very fair of you to hold such strong opinions against a company when you've only lightly sampled what they have to offer.

I don't think you are being very fare in your review, if you can call it that. It reads more to me like someone whining.

 

[JetEyeNight]

I've owned Guardians, and Propagandas. Guardians still fan just fine. Propagandas are one of the nicest decks theory11 has produced.

Shadow Masters ARE very nice cards. HOWEVER, they aren't perfect either. I had a defective deck sent to me. When I took it out of the box it was twisted and warped like a Twizzler stick. It would literally pop and snap when I tried to flatten it out. I worked with Ellusionist, and they replaced the deck with a non-defective deck.

It's not always the company's fault if the cards arrive in less then perfect condition. There are things out of their control. What I didn't mention was the deck sat outside in the freezing cold for over a day before I brought it inside.

There are other factors, like weather, temperature, humidity, shipping environment, that can affect the quality of your cards on arrival.

Simple solution? Submit a ticket.

 

[praetoritevong]

As JB did acknowledge, mistakes can happen. I remember posting about a deck of Stingers that must honestly have just been a dud deck, it was shocking. But he's also consistent and fair about it too.

 

[saborfang17]

I'm not one to use custom decks. Frankly I think it's a fad among younger magicians who are just looking for the next "thing" to make their magic "cool". The theatrical applications of using a custom deck themed to a specific look, style, or feel that the magician is trying to achieve with their performance can certainly enhance the quality of the atmosphere the magician creates, but in itself is nothing special.

However with that being said, I've yet to be disappointed with a custom deck from T11. They produce quality decks that look and feel good. They hold up well to being used a lot, and I've yet to really regret a purchase.

Obviously, as with any consumer product, there are going to be mistakes. There are going to be defects, and there are going to be decks that fail to hold up to the standards set forth by the company. This is inevitable. As a company there is nothing you can do to insure that 100% of your product is flawless. Doubly so when you have third parties who are responsible for the production of said product. However I don't think that's very fair of you to hold such strong opinions against a company when you've only lightly sampled what they have to offer.

I don't think you are being very fare in your review, if you can call it that. It reads more to me like someone whining.

I mainly use Tally-Ho circle backs for performances, I just keep a few custom t11 decks (namely bee stingers) around if I ever want to display something beyond simplicity and elegance combined. (Namely those two + kick-ass designs)

 

[WitchDocIsIn]

No need for name calling and metaphorical torch waving, on either side.

The mass manufacturing of products is bound to create the occasional dud. It happens. This particular instance sounds like a shipping problem, though, since both decks had similar problems. Bayme said it best: Submit a ticket and they will sort you right out. T11 has excellent customer support, they've never let me down.

 

[eostresh]

I'm not one to use custom decks. Frankly I think it's a fad among younger magicians who are just looking for the next "thing" to make their magic "cool".

I agree with much of your sentiments however on this point...not so sure. Time will tell if it is a fad but I quite honestly think it is a step in the right direction. The best part of these "custom" decks is the insistence on quality. USPCC has gotten so big and gobbled up so much of it's domestic competition that without companies like T11 demanding a high quality product from them I'm afraid there would be a huge drop in the quality of their products. Just look at what they have done with some of their mid range cards that had excellent reputations. Steamboats-gone, Arrcos-gone(pehaps not forever but there are none being produced at the current time and no runs planned in the near future), Tally-ho-I have been reading complaints about reduction in quality control with Tallys that date back years, Bike 808-My god! this is their signature label and I haven't bought a deck of bikes that wasn't misaligned for the last 5 years!

I understand that many of, what I like to call, the "Red Backed Bike" crowd love to complain about many of these custom decks(and some of their arguments are sound.) But the truth is that it opens the door for many young magicians to experiment with different stocks and finishes and learn a bit about card collecting. In a way they new generations of cardists who like trying out different decks are even more "old school" than the "red backed bike crowd." Look at old video of Vernon, Jennings, and especially Marlo. These guys liked cards and you are just as likely to see them with a unique brand as you were to see them with bikes. Indeed, we all seem to forget that it was Vernon and Jennings being seen with J-nuggs many years back that started the embers of that collecting craze that has grown to the point where those cards are worth over $200 a pack!

I can't speak to the specifics of the Propagandas or the Centurions but I did have the opportunity to try out the Stinger Backs. I found the overall quality control on those decks fantastic. No one can guarantee you will or won’t like a particular deck of cards. That all comes down to personal preferences on stock thickness and stiffness and the feel of the finish, but I would be very shocked if the quality controls put into the Propagandas and Centurions was any less than what I found in the Stinger backs. Quite frankly, given the current state of quality control at USPCC, I think Theory 11 should be praised for keeping or neighborhood card giant “honest” and forcing them to produce the quality of cards that we all know they have the capability to produce.

@Draven: I’m not really going off on you and I’m sorry if it came off that way. Indeed, I agreed with much of your post. But when I read lines like the one quoted it sets me off on my rant.
@everyone: Over the last year I have done over a dozen rather in-depth deck reviews from decks produced by five different companies and I feel I can say with a good deal of certainty that A: you can, and generally will, get what you pay for and B: custom decks are generally much more than just a fancy paint job. If you absolutely must use a red or blue card because you want it to look “normal” then for god sakes do yourself a favor and make it an Arrco!

Cheers everyone!

 

[n0va_jason]

I share sentiments to an extent. I have a pair of Guardians. One of which is still unopened. The other however, was a total mess. Three days of usage and they clump straight outta the box. Nonetheless, I do hope that JB and his crew do take note of these critiques and make suitable improvements to the Guardians. I believe T11 serves to please their customers, pretty much alike how every other retailer will.

Nonetheless, the Split Spades that I bought from here were of amazing quality. I'm sure this is largely due to the the large amount of effort put in by Dan and Dave, David Blaine, Mark Stutzman, and perhaps even T11's crew. I do hope future productions of the Guardians will take a similar light as the Split Spades.

I will not demand for a deck of Guardians that can match up to the amazing Lions, however I will ask for more attention put into the Guardians themselves. I will admit, being in a humid country might be a factor that had destroyed my first deck of Guardians. But I had kept them in the same spot where all my other decks are kept. In a dark and cool shelf. And this is the only deck that clumped and warped. I pray this is just one of the few (hopefully) mishaps in the production of T11's custom decks. Meanwhile, I will open the other deck that I have been all so afraid of opening (after a bad experience with the Guardians) and will post up my comments in time to come.

Peace.

 

[MMMM133713371337]

I share sentiments to an extent. I have a pair of Guardians. One of which is still unopened. The other however, was a total mess. Three days of usage and they clump straight outta the box. Nonetheless, I do hope that JB and his crew do take note of these critiques and make suitable improvements to the Guardians. I believe T11 serves to please their customers, pretty much alike how every other retailer will.

Nonetheless, the Split Spades that I bought from here were of amazing quality. I'm sure this is largely due to the the large amount of effort put in by Dan and Dave, David Blaine, Mark Stutzman, and perhaps even T11's crew. I do hope future productions of the Guardians will take a similar light as the Split Spades.

I will not demand for a deck of Guardians that can match up to the amazing Lions, however I will ask for more attention put into the Guardians themselves. I will admit, being in a humid country might be a factor that had destroyed my first deck of Guardians. But I had kept them in the same spot where all my other decks are kept. In a dark and cool shelf. And this is the only deck that clumped and warped. I pray this is just one of the few (hopefully) mishaps in the production of T11's custom decks. Meanwhile, I will open the other deck that I have been all so afraid of opening (after a bad experience with the Guardians) and will post up my comments in time to come.

Peace.

I agree , I am not demanding for a replacement of my decks or 'whining' as described by the gentlemen a few posts before me but rather pointing out the flaws that the deck has so that Theory11 can look into it and improve.If these cards are truly the 'best decks' , I would have received PERFECT or rather close to perfect decks that last very long , fans very well etc... These decks do not deserve the tagline of 'Best Decks' as they are not even close to perfect in my opinion.

Also JB , the quality of all decks is purely based on opinion.You may print cards on a $99 million dollar printing press but in the end , it is the consumers who decide what they think about the deck.You should only state facts in the description as in my opinion , all of your description are merely biased opinions from Theory11.I have seen alot of unhappiness about your decks on Theory11 and I don't think your decks deserve the tagline of 'best deck' as described by many 'fanboys'.I don't have to agree with what you say.You and your so called artists and so called card experts only care about fistfuls of dollars in my opinion.Don't tell me they need the dollars for a living or have a family.Just look at how rich they are.I can bet that they even have the money to make a golden toilet bowl shinier.

Also , Ellusionist decks sure may not appeal to you fanboys but the quality is greater compared to Theory11 in terms of durabilty , fans , face design and occasionally back designs in my opinion.

 

[praetoritevong]

I agree , I am not demanding for a replacement of my decks or 'whining' as described by the gentlemen a few posts before me but rather pointing out the flaws that the deck has so that Theory11 can look into it and improve.If these cards are truly the 'best decks' , I would have received PERFECT or rather close to perfect decks that last very long , fans very well etc... These decks do not deserve the tagline of 'Best Decks' as they are not even close to perfect in my opinion.

Also JB , the quality of all decks is purely based on opinion.You may print cards on a $99 million dollar printing press but in the end , it is the consumers who decide what they think about the deck.You should only state facts in the description as in my opinion , all of your description are merely biased opinions from Theory11.I have seen alot of unhappiness about your decks on Theory11 and I don't think your decks deserve the tagline of 'best deck' as described by many 'fanboys'.I don't have to agree with what you say.You and your so called artists and so called card experts only care about fistfuls of dollars in my opinion.Don't tell me they need the dollars for a living or have a family.Just look at how rich they are.I can bet that they even have the money to make a golden toilet bowl shinier.

Also , Ellusionist decks sure may not appeal to you fanboys but the quality is greater compared to Theory11 in terms of durabilty , fans , face design and occasionally back designs in my opinion.

So how is your post any different? You obviously have an opinion biased by thorough generalisations, complete assertions, and straw man fallacies. Pot calling the kettle black buddy. If you wanted to post an opinion, that's fine. Note however that everyone else who has posted negatively about T11 decks has managed to do so without insulting people or writing ridiculous comments. In case you didn't understand that, let me break that down for you.

I agree , I am not demanding for a replacement of my decks or 'whining' as described by the gentlemen a few posts before me but rather pointing out the flaws that the deck has so that Theory11 can look into it and improve.If these cards are truly the 'best decks' , I would have received PERFECT or rather close to perfect decks that last very long , fans very well etc... These decks do not deserve the tagline of 'Best Decks' as they are not even close to perfect in my opinion.

Also JB , the quality of all decks is purely based on opinion.You may print cards on a $99 million dollar printing press but in the end , it is the consumers who decide what they think about the deck.

This is perfectly legitimate, and is expressing your opinion. Well done.

You should only state facts in the description as in my opinion , all of your description are merely biased opinions from Theory11.

Be realistic. Theory11 is a company, and it is advertising its own products. Of course there's hype. Whether it lives up to it is up to people's opinions, and you have stated yours.

I have seen alot of unhappiness about your decks on Theory11 and I don't think your decks deserve the tagline of 'best deck' as described by many 'fanboys'.I don't have to agree with what you say.

No-one is saying that you have to. If you can quote someone saying "You have to agree with us", I'd love to see it.

You and your so called artists and so called card experts only care about fistfuls of dollars in my opinion.Don't tell me they need the dollars for a living or have a family.Just look at how rich they are.I can bet that they even have the money to make a golden toilet bowl shinier.

Argumentum ad hominem. Hyperbole, baseless accusations and assumptions. Completely invalid.

Also , Ellusionist decks sure may not appeal to you fanboys but the quality is greater compared to Theory11 in terms of durabilty , fans , face design and occasionally back designs in my opinion.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion. But why is it that you feel that you need to insult people? In my experience, only people who do not have a valid argument or who possess severe insecurity issues initiate arguments with insults.