Earlier today, I tried to criticize a Youtuber's flourish, which he wished to put on the wire. Among my criticisms was that he ought to practice a lot more before putting out a video, and also that he ought to stop revealing tricks on Youtube. The comment's that ensued are as follows:
ME:
I have yet to see a video of yours that shows you have practiced adequately. Very few of the flourishes I see in your videos are smooth enough to look merely ok. Also, try to not create your own flourishes until you become proficient with as much cardistry made by others as possible. Trust me, I've spent way too long "perfecting" flourishes that would never look good due to the fact that I was an amateur at the time. You'll find that once you are decent at cardistry, you're own creativity will be sparked from the individual techniques you learned in previous flourishes. Once you finally become good enough to post your own flourish to the Wire, you're reputation as a magician will be harmed by your past ill-prepared videos, making customers less likely to wish to purchase your product.
Next time I see a cardistry video of yours, I hope you will have practiced adequately, because I honestly think that you are hurting our art by putting out videos with sloppy flourishes. You're editing, however, is very nice. I like the artsy approach, and for that, I will give you props.
I say all this not to start an argument, but to tell you how you could improve. Whether you take my advice or not is completely up to you, but I will warn you that you are going to do yourself a disservice if you ignore what I say.
Also, PLEASE don't reveal tricks. Let me put this into perspective, whenever someone watches a video about a trick being revealed, the owner of said trick loses the amount it would cost for them to pay for it. For example, your video that reveals Fontaine has 7,353 views at this point. If Zach Mueller gets 60% of all sales on the wire (which is how the wire works, Theory11 takes 40%), this means that you are basically STEALING a little over $50,000 from Theory 11 and Zach combined. Separately, Zach loses about $30,000, and Theory 11 loses $20,000. If you don't take videos that reveal effects down, I will flag them for copyright infringement myself, with alternate accounts as well if I must.
If you want to reveal something, reveal sleights. If you've perfected your pass, feel free to explain how the move works (so long as your tutorial is in-depth and coherent). Technically, one could argue that when you give a free tutorial on a move, the creator like Jason England who explains sleights loses money, but they did not invent the sleight themselves. As long as you are explaining the sleights of those who are now dead, it's ok.
I hope you improve upon what was said above,
Peter.
To which he (I will not give the youtube username, as I don't want give him any extra fame from those looking for revelations) responded:
First off.. that was waaaay to much for me to read. Second of all.. You have one subscriber.. How are you an expert? And third of all, revealing a trick is not copyright infringement. It's like teaching how to sing a song. As long as the original material isn't reproduced in any way, it's completely legal. Thanks bud.
And then I said,
ME:
Of course, I had expected a crass answer from you. For one thing, my youtube account is only to enter T11 Saturday Night contests. Nonetheless, in no way does the number of a magician's subscribers gage his skill. May I also add that my channel's subscriber rate wasn't merely fueled by revelations of other's effects. Your poorly created retort only further proves how thick in the head you are, making me realize what a lost cause convincing you is.
Although you may not be copying and pasting Fontaine into Youtube, the point of copyright infringement is to protect the original owner from getting robbed by others flocking to the cheaper or free alternative in place of the original. Furthermore, I've seen countless of accounts and videos removed due to effect revealing, under the terms of copyright infringement. Copyright infringement may not be the EXACT term for magic revelations, but it is the closest term that Youtube has for being a reason for removing exposure videos.
It's obvious that you MUST practice, this is not even worth arguing. For the love of god, you uploaded a sandwich routine where you flashed the double. You could've reshot it without too much work. It's not like the sandwich routine was so advanced that you never would be able to replicate it quite as well as version you uploaded to the internet; who am I kidding, that probably was the case knowing how ill you prepare for your videos.
I hoped my comment would not spark an argument, but you forced my hand. Have fun arguing that your videos did not violate copyright after they've been removed,
Peter.
The point of this thread is to find out the best way to ensure his videos that reveal effects get removed. Whether this is agreeing that I group of us will collectively flag the videos for copyright infringement, or something else. After a consensus is made, I will give the name of the Youtuber so you actually know what videos to flag or whatever we come up with.
Also, feel free to tell me if any of my claims are incorrect. I was pretty mad after he argued that he wasn't doing anything immoral, and I can't help but notice that this was at least a little apparent in my second comment.
ME:
I have yet to see a video of yours that shows you have practiced adequately. Very few of the flourishes I see in your videos are smooth enough to look merely ok. Also, try to not create your own flourishes until you become proficient with as much cardistry made by others as possible. Trust me, I've spent way too long "perfecting" flourishes that would never look good due to the fact that I was an amateur at the time. You'll find that once you are decent at cardistry, you're own creativity will be sparked from the individual techniques you learned in previous flourishes. Once you finally become good enough to post your own flourish to the Wire, you're reputation as a magician will be harmed by your past ill-prepared videos, making customers less likely to wish to purchase your product.
Next time I see a cardistry video of yours, I hope you will have practiced adequately, because I honestly think that you are hurting our art by putting out videos with sloppy flourishes. You're editing, however, is very nice. I like the artsy approach, and for that, I will give you props.
I say all this not to start an argument, but to tell you how you could improve. Whether you take my advice or not is completely up to you, but I will warn you that you are going to do yourself a disservice if you ignore what I say.
Also, PLEASE don't reveal tricks. Let me put this into perspective, whenever someone watches a video about a trick being revealed, the owner of said trick loses the amount it would cost for them to pay for it. For example, your video that reveals Fontaine has 7,353 views at this point. If Zach Mueller gets 60% of all sales on the wire (which is how the wire works, Theory11 takes 40%), this means that you are basically STEALING a little over $50,000 from Theory 11 and Zach combined. Separately, Zach loses about $30,000, and Theory 11 loses $20,000. If you don't take videos that reveal effects down, I will flag them for copyright infringement myself, with alternate accounts as well if I must.
If you want to reveal something, reveal sleights. If you've perfected your pass, feel free to explain how the move works (so long as your tutorial is in-depth and coherent). Technically, one could argue that when you give a free tutorial on a move, the creator like Jason England who explains sleights loses money, but they did not invent the sleight themselves. As long as you are explaining the sleights of those who are now dead, it's ok.
I hope you improve upon what was said above,
Peter.
To which he (I will not give the youtube username, as I don't want give him any extra fame from those looking for revelations) responded:
First off.. that was waaaay to much for me to read. Second of all.. You have one subscriber.. How are you an expert? And third of all, revealing a trick is not copyright infringement. It's like teaching how to sing a song. As long as the original material isn't reproduced in any way, it's completely legal. Thanks bud.
And then I said,
ME:
Of course, I had expected a crass answer from you. For one thing, my youtube account is only to enter T11 Saturday Night contests. Nonetheless, in no way does the number of a magician's subscribers gage his skill. May I also add that my channel's subscriber rate wasn't merely fueled by revelations of other's effects. Your poorly created retort only further proves how thick in the head you are, making me realize what a lost cause convincing you is.
Although you may not be copying and pasting Fontaine into Youtube, the point of copyright infringement is to protect the original owner from getting robbed by others flocking to the cheaper or free alternative in place of the original. Furthermore, I've seen countless of accounts and videos removed due to effect revealing, under the terms of copyright infringement. Copyright infringement may not be the EXACT term for magic revelations, but it is the closest term that Youtube has for being a reason for removing exposure videos.
It's obvious that you MUST practice, this is not even worth arguing. For the love of god, you uploaded a sandwich routine where you flashed the double. You could've reshot it without too much work. It's not like the sandwich routine was so advanced that you never would be able to replicate it quite as well as version you uploaded to the internet; who am I kidding, that probably was the case knowing how ill you prepare for your videos.
I hoped my comment would not spark an argument, but you forced my hand. Have fun arguing that your videos did not violate copyright after they've been removed,
Peter.
The point of this thread is to find out the best way to ensure his videos that reveal effects get removed. Whether this is agreeing that I group of us will collectively flag the videos for copyright infringement, or something else. After a consensus is made, I will give the name of the Youtuber so you actually know what videos to flag or whatever we come up with.
Also, feel free to tell me if any of my claims are incorrect. I was pretty mad after he argued that he wasn't doing anything immoral, and I can't help but notice that this was at least a little apparent in my second comment.
