What is Mental Magic?

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Does it REALLY matter where exactly a book came from? Is it REALLY a huge deal that I didn't know that Annemann didn't publish the book?

Your words:

Theodore Annemann wrote a book called "Practical Mental Magic" full of mentalism.

You made a claim that was incorrect. The last time you inquired about learning mentalism, you were given sources to look up. I have not seen proof that you went to any of them, nor have I seen any proof that you've taken up a serious study of the history of either magic or mentalism.

You claim to be so passionate about the craft, yet you suck at taking criticism and have shown little to no academic interest in our history. What am I supposed to do kid? I can only be nice to you so many times before I say enough is enough.

Also, who said I was demanding to be referred to as a mentalist?

Your post suggested you have a problem with being told that your card trick was mental magic and not actual mentalism. A complaint I've heard a million times before. And given the stand-offish attitude I'd seen from you before, I had no reason to believe differently.

I damn sure don't want to ONLY do mentalism. And why is it a problem that I'm "all over the place"? I enjoy MANY different types of magic and mind reading.

Because right now you sound like every other hack out there who spreads themselves too thin. Marketing 101: when you try to please everybody, you please nobody.
 
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I damn sure don't want to ONLY do mentalism. And why is it a problem that I'm "all over the place"? I enjoy MANY different types of magic and mind reading.

When I saw this line I just couldn't resist. . .

If you want to do a variety of different kinds of effects STAY OUT OF MENTALISM! We have plenty of half-wits already destroying it because they approach it as they would a trick. If you can't understand the difference it would be wise to put it on the shelf until you grow up a bit and mature.

Mentalism is related to Magic IT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MAGIC.

Certain techniques are in deed, shared as are certain principles, but the psychology of Mentalism is the exact opposite of what we use when doing magic. This brings us to your comment above. . . A Mentalist only does Mentalism when it comes to public situations in that we are the illusion that's being presented NOT the tricks or effects we present.

Think about that, I know it's bit advanced logic that you might miss . . .

In Mentalism what makes it work is the psychology imposed around one's claim; If I'm a true Mind Reader/Telepath, then that's what I must be 24/7 . . . a Magician gets time away from such identity factors but a true Mentalist does not. . . not if we want to maintain the air of mystery that draws the public into our world as participants vs. observers. My shows literally do make the audience experience what it is like to be "Psychic" (so to speak); it is they that have most of the "miraculous" happen through themselves vs. my standing on stage as the Master Mind and doing all kinds of ego stunts. . . which is why 90% of folks now days want to do Mentalism or pseudo-Bizarre type work and then, like yourself, have the audacity to tell old timers that were doing this stuff before you were even your daddy's little squirt, that we don't know what we're talking about or we "don't understand". . .

PLEASE, see it from our position . . . I've been involved with magic since 1963 and on stage most of that time; I'd like to think I know a little about what I'm talking about. . .

So here's the deal; you're a newbie that does not yet know his anus from a hole in the ground. . . your a kid in a candy store and all of it looks awesome BUT, you can't have it all! That's unrealistic and if you try to consume all that candy you will become quite ill and most likely die. So find one BASIC area and start with it. I'd encourage you to start with the Mark Wilson Course & Tarbell before pointing you towards anything smacking of true Mentalism -- you're simply not ready because you're not focused; get some discipline under your belt by spending a solid 12 months focused on one specific area like coin work or mastering the Cups & Balls (trust me, it takes more than a year do accomplish this). Learn how to actually do Magic and how to be a showman first and then, if you are still drawn towards mentalism, take a snail's pace and start with the Karl Fulves self-working Mentalism book so you can learn about presentation vs. technique; learn to see and feel the difference between the two sides of the same coin.

In all the years I've been involved with magic I've only studied two key areas; Big Illusions and Mentalism . . . though a Bizarre or Macabre element has proven a constant and I have a reasonable reputation in the Bizarre Magick world. That is a world that has close ties to Mentalism and more specifically the Seance type shows I've chosen to work with now days. The point is, these are the two areas that I am an adept with and one would be hard pressed to prove me wrong on either topic. . . that's not ego boasting just fact, ask anyone that knows me. . . that's the rub however, what I'm trying to help you see; I have that reputation because I chose to focus and "Master" one thing at a time. You'll find that 99% of your award winning pros did the same thing. . . in fact, prior to the big trend around Mentalism taking root in the late 1990s I was working for a well known Illusion act in Branson, MO. who had never heard of Mentalism and this is a guy that's been in pro magic for decades (though he still looks 20). Again, an example of someone that was single-minded and as the end result, he makes several million a year doing the form of magic he specializes in.

I hope you get the point behind what I and Steerpike have been trying to stress to you.
 
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I'd encourage you to start with the Mark Wilson Course & Tarbell before pointing you towards anything smacking of true Mentalism -- you're simply not ready because you're not focused;

Ironically, Harlan Tarbell's essays on mentalism are the kind that would make most of these guys' heads explode. Tarbell endorsed the idea that a mentalist should be able to claim he possesses supernatural abilities and stay in character 24/7. Lots of people have disagreed with him, but as you point out, the most successful mentalists are the ones who do exactly that (or if not claim supernatural powers, then at least some uncanny level of intuition through a master's understanding of the human mind).
 
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I understand that you guys are "old timers" and probably know what you're talking about. You state that a "true mentalist" has to stay in character 24/7 and present it as real. That's my biggest hang up. I'm sorry but I can't tell people I'm a REAL psychic and a REAL mind reader. I mean seriously, if it was all REAL, I wouldn't be doing a show for them. I'd be winning myself the lottery every week and not doing a damn thing else.

I like the illusion of reading ones mind. If you want to call it mental magic, then fine, it's mental magic that I'll put in my show. Not your beloved mentalism. My question was what the difference between the two are. You've pointed that out and fine I'll stick to my MAGIC and MENTAL MAGIC. It makes for a great show.

And P.S., I'm not a kid and I certainly don't think a "newbie that doesn't know his anus from a hole in the ground" would be making a living performing.
 
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I understand that you guys are "old timers" and probably know what you're talking about. You state that a "true mentalist" has to stay in character 24/7 and present it as real. That's my biggest hang up. I'm sorry but I can't tell people I'm a REAL psychic and a REAL mind reader.

THEN DON'T DO MENTALISM!

Based on your comment here, you don't get it. . . and I'm not saying that out of spite but because you are missing what we've been saying.

You don't have to claim to be a "Psychic" for starters; Mentalism includes Memory Expert type demos, Hypnosis or Suggestion (linguistic) type acts, Math based programs and of course a very long list of psychological foundations. The point is, you present the work as factual and real or else you don't have a show or a reason for people to willingly put out money to hire you as an act.

Going a step further. . . an act that holds to this long proven formula earns the bigger pay day. Those that still think like magicians and see what we do as Mentalists as being "tricks" or "Illusions" (boy do you need an education on that thought) will be paid accordingly and believe it or not the general public don't place as much value in a magician as they do psychics or mind readers.

I mean seriously, if it was all REAL, I wouldn't be doing a show for them. I'd be winning myself the lottery every week and not doing a damn thing else.

For starters there are actual Psychics that have hit big lottery wins and rather than holding the cash, they donate it all to charity. The more legit workers in the Psychic world aren't in it for the cash. I know that's hard for a rationalist to wrap their head around in that they are always looking for "the angle" and doing things for the sake of heart & soul just don't add up in their mind. But this is reality vs. the cynic's fantasy as to how things "are".

Secondly, you are assuming something based on a bias vs. actual thought. If you were to see me work you would find that I give people reason for skepticism but likewise, I give the skeptically minded a reason to reconsider the issue of belief and see things on a greater sense of common ground. My objective is to bridge the gap between believer and cynic, which means I need to give the lay public something to believe in rather than brow beating them as so many "skeptics" tend to do. They yell at those of us that work the Psychic/Metaphysical angle about morality and taking responsibility for our actions and yet, they don't apply this same rule to themselves, nor do they feel the least bit responsible for the lives their assholiness have devastated.

Bob Cassidy has billed himself as a Mind Reader for decades and sells himself as such 24/7 . . . he's far from being alone, so would you say that he's wrong?

If you haven't done it yet, download my pdf on Mentalism, it's free . . . I'll even toss in a couple of others you might benefit from;

Cold Reading pdf

BIZARRE MAGICK


I like the illusion of reading ones mind. If you want to call it mental magic, then fine, it's mental magic that I'll put in my show. Not your beloved mentalism. My question was what the difference between the two are. You've pointed that out and fine I'll stick to my MAGIC and MENTAL MAGIC. It makes for a great show.

I tend to believe you didn't get it. . . you just want out of this discussion so you can go ahead and do what you want to do vs. learning and understanding the difference between the two and more importantly, what we, as mentalists, see as being Magic Show appropriate and thus "Mental Magic" vs. programs that step on "our" toes, as it were.

When a magician (and worse, someone in clown face) does Mother of All Booktest he/she has crossed the line; they've taken a solid piece of mentalism and devalued it by putting it in a Magic Show . . . put another way, the performer that does something like this is shooting themselves in the foot because they aren't able to benefit from the optimum impact of the effect, nor is their audience able to enjoy that optimization. But in their selfishness and self-righteous belief that "it's a trick and I can do any trick I wish" they are hurting those performers that have INVESTED into that same effect so they can present it in the way it was designed to be done.

If, on the other hand, a Magician were to do a bit like Dream Vision or Casino Royale. . . well, go for it! They are obviously tricks and suitable to a magic show even though working Mentalists, such as I, might use them in their shows for the sake of production value . . . we are "entertainers" after all, but there is a psychological reason for such additions as well; Mentalism can get very emotional and intense and in order to relax the audience a bit of "theater" is needed -- something that's fun.

And P.S., I'm not a kid and I certainly don't think a "newbie that doesn't know his anus from a hole in the ground" would be making a living performing.

"Newbie" doesn't always mean that you're "new" to Magic as a whole but new and inexperienced to a given arena which, in this case, is Mentalism and its contrast with Mental Magic.

Not being "a kid" is a matter of perspective too. . . to me most everyone here is a kid in that I'm one of the handful on this forum that's over 50 and has more than a couple of decades worth of background actually working in this industry. But there is another side to the "kid" issue and that's how defensive the 19-25 age group can get when someone calls them "a kid". . .

KUDOS if you are making a living by doing nothing other than performing, you represent about 2% of the greater whole in this business, the majority of us (including some very big names) have to maintain a day job in order to actually cover all the bills. Multiple streams of income tends to be the only way any entertainer survives. BUT, busking on street corners don't count.

OMG I've committed sacrilege! Denouncing sidewalk magic that way. . .

Well, in my day that's what we did in order to come up with rent, not as a profession. We might do pitch work or bark on a midway, but those aren't the same as passing the proverbial hat. We worked lines at night clubs and if we were on a boardwalk it was typically a sponsored gig; out act was a lure to get people to patronize the business we stood in front of. More importantly, most of us sought out gigs that we could put on a resume, not just an arena to show off in.

Sorry to all whose toes I've just stepped on, but this is how most of those in my age group remember the whole busking game not how Criss & David painted it in the late 90s.

RK. . . Mental Magic is commercial and I would encourage you to go for it, but do us all a big favor and stick with the things that look like a trick rather than the stuff that was designed specifically for our side of the craft.

Thanks!
 
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Ironically, Harlan Tarbell's essays on mentalism are the kind that would make most of these guys' heads explode. Tarbell endorsed the idea that a mentalist should be able to claim he possesses supernatural abilities and stay in character 24/7. Lots of people have disagreed with him, but as you point out, the most successful mentalists are the ones who do exactly that (or if not claim supernatural powers, then at least some uncanny level of intuition through a master's understanding of the human mind).

I believe it, but you'll find the same thing being said by William Larsen, Sr.; Robert Nelson, Dante and many of their peers -- the old timers got it! Today's young people are selfish and have little to not respect for "tradition" let alone the idea of discipline. Mostly due to the fact that parents and teachers are no longer allowed to tell the 'NO'.
 

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I believe it, but you'll find the same thing being said by William Larsen, Sr.; Robert Nelson, Dante and many of their peers -- the old timers got it! Today's young people are selfish and have little to not respect for "tradition" let alone the idea of discipline. Mostly due to the fact that parents and teachers are no longer allowed to tell the 'NO'.

There is a great article in this month's Genii by David Kaye (AKA Silly Billy). The point is that it used to be that anyone could go to a magic shop, buy some colorful props and be a (hack) children's magician. David points out that nowadays, anyone can go to the internet, order a couple of routines and be a (hack) mentalist.
 
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I understand that you guys are "old timers" and probably know what you're talking about.

I resent the "old" remark. I'm 28. I prefer "old school." Or if you want to make me sound way less white than I actually am, OG.

You state that a "true mentalist" has to stay in character 24/7 and present it as real. That's my biggest hang up. I'm sorry but I can't tell people I'm a REAL psychic and a REAL mind reader. I mean seriously, if it was all REAL, I wouldn't be doing a show for them. I'd be winning myself the lottery every week and not doing a damn thing else.

Then don't do mentalism. Magicians and mentalists are actors. If you don't act, then that's a problem. And if you really had the power of precognizance and only used it to win the lottery until you were living in a giant recreation of the house from Peewee's Big Adventure and buying cocaine hot tubs, that demonstrates a rather severe lack of imagination. Hell, even my grandparents would try to recreate that show Early Edition.

And P.S., I'm not a kid and I certainly don't think a "newbie that doesn't know his anus from a hole in the ground" would be making a living performing.

Dude, I've met guys twice your age who pay their bills performing. And yet one of my mentors is in semi-retirement and is still out-earning them all. The ability to pull down some cash just isn't as impressive as you might think.
 
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Dude, I've met guys twice your age who pay their bills performing. And yet one of my mentors is in semi-retirement and is still out-earning them all. The ability to pull down some cash just isn't as impressive as you might think.

This is one of the most important points to come out of this thread even though it has little to nothing to do with the topic.

I run in 16 year olds that boast about being a "Professional Magician" and yet they've never read the Wilson Course, Royal Road or any of the other preliminary texts one is expected to know. Their argument is "I make money doing it, so I'm a pro" and that's not just lame, it's highly inaccurate when it comes to what being a PROFESSIONAL is and isn't.

The amusement park industry is notorious for not hiring actual magicians to do certain types of Magic shows in which one of their pet characters, like Mickey Mouse or Bullwinkle present the magic. Rather, it is a cast of high school or college aged DANCERS that need to make school money over the summer. The park can pay them bare minimum compared to what it would cost to bring in a real magician with all the props, costumes, etc.

The point is, you have a crew of 3-12 cast members participating in a Magic Show and not a one of them has the right to call themselves a "Professional Magician" . . . "Professional Entertainers" maybe, but just because they know how a handful of tricks work and are able to walk through robotically, a specific show outline and choreography does not make them anything remotely smacking of a Magician.

I've taught dozens of people how to do Svengalli Pitches and other such "easy magic" sales presentations few of them having an interest in magic but rather, the need to make some quick cash. . . at most they've learned 6 effects and know a bit more than the basics when it comes to using certain devices. They made a decent payday doing these routines but again, they are light years away from being "Professional" anything . . . other than maybe a "Pitchman"

Being a Professional anything has next to nothing to do with the pay day and everything to do with attitude; the respect you have for your vocation, your patrons and YOUR SELF!

As independent performers we are NOT our own boss, as so many love to believe. No, we answer to a much higher and more potent authority -- our patrons. . . that would be the talent buyer that books us and the audience they HELP deliver. 90% of the time YOU have to go out and drag the audience in and when you do this you have to know how to do a long list of other "tricks" that have nothing to do with your act and everything to do with the "Business" side of show.

When you look at Criss, David and the others TV heads stop looking at how they can dress down and goth-like and make a living; that's an illusion in and of itself -- it's "image". Personally (and I really don't care for the guy) I think Derren Brown is the more professional of the lot and yet, I've seen David Blaine grow in some very positive ways in the past decade; something that cannot be said about Angel, but that's another story.

Back in the late 60's a production company got a group of young, good looking guys together -- actors to play the part of an American rock band. The music wasn't even them during the first season and yet, the Monkey's and even the Archie cartoon cast all became music legends because they fit the suit. . . in the case of the Monkey's they guys didn't see themselves as "Musicians" until the second season when they really did play the music and sing (as well as write) the lyrics.

This is another example of how things aren't what they seem to be and how we LIE to ourselves; especially when it comes to our own ego the the delusion that we are "professional" anything simply because we've made a few bucks doing something we like.

I've known a hell of a lot of magicians over the years and some of the most "Professional" never made a dime from doing shows. They had the attitude, accepted the responsibility and had smoothed out their performance in a manner that was smoother and more "artistic" than the guys that pulled in thousands a night. . . many of them having little to no respect for their audience.

You've really got to think things through and get real when it comes to the idea of being a Professional at anything. It doesn't mean that you get paid for doing your assumed job.
 
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yall guys are all idiots! stop with your thinking that your better than everyone else! Im tired of stupid crap like this, this is why i never get on these forums BECAUSE OF YOU ALL!!!

my mentor and good friend JIMMY FINGERS states that all you really need to read is Amateurs Hand book.

oh go and tell Paul Vigil to stay away from mentalism since he himself performs magic in his show as well!!!
is Paul Vigil a newbie too??? is Jimmy Fingers a newbie too? they all perform magic and mentalism!!!
I dare you to go and tell them to stay away from mentalism because they are doing magic as well.
They will slap you across the face... I know I would!

so let me ask yall something... do you all really believe yall have psychic powers???? cuz it sounds like yall are starting to believe yalll own lies!

STOP WITH YOUR BULLING ASS AND GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE LOTTERY!
 
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yall guys are all idiots! stop with your thinking that your better than everyone else! Im tired of stupid crap like this, this is why i never get on these forums BECAUSE OF YOU ALL!!!

my mentor and good friend JIMMY FINGERS states that all you really need to read is Amateurs Hand book.

oh go and tell Paul Vigil to stay away from mentalism since he himself performs magic in his show as well!!!
is Paul Vigil a newbie too??? is Jimmy Fingers a newbie too? they all perform magic and mentalism!!!
I dare you to go and tell them to stay away from mentalism because they are doing magic as well.
They will slap you across the face... I know I would!

so let me ask yall something... do you all really believe yall have psychic powers???? cuz it sounds like yall are starting to believe yalll own lies!

STOP WITH YOUR BULLING ASS AND GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE LOTTERY!

Wow. Someone had a big ol' cup of something to prove this morning. You may be able to drop several names, but rants like this don't help anyone's case. They make you look immature and unprofessional.
 
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yall guys are all idiots! stop with your thinking that your better than everyone else! Im tired of stupid crap like this, this is why i never get on these forums BECAUSE OF YOU ALL!!!

Aren't you just a delightful ray of ****ing sunshine.

oh go and tell Paul Vigil to stay away from mentalism since he himself performs magic in his show as well!!!
is Paul Vigil a newbie too??? is Jimmy Fingers a newbie too? they all perform magic and mentalism!!!
I dare you to go and tell them to stay away from mentalism because they are doing magic as well.

Let's see, in this one paragraph we have... six exclamation points. I'm sensing some hostility.

They will slap you across the face... I know I would!

Ooh, look out ladies. Internet tough guy comin' through!

so let me ask yall something... do you all really believe yall have psychic powers???? cuz it sounds like yall are starting to believe yalll own lies!

Well, unlike you I seem to have enough clairvoyance to divine the location of the "shift" key instead of relying on CAPS LOCK.

STOP WITH YOUR BULLING ASS AND GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE LOTTERY!

And you need to stop drinking antifreeze.

No one here has claimed to the magicians here that we're actual psychics. We have however said that in public and in front of audiences we never break character. So maybe you should exercise a little reading comprehension, calm down, and shut up before you embarrass yourself any further. I have this argument with people smarter, wittier and far more eloquent than you and come out on top. Do not pick this fight with me, because you will lose, and that's not even accounting for mod intervention when they get sick of your ranting juvenile crap.
 
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yall guys are all idiots! stop with your thinking that your better than everyone else! Im tired of stupid crap like this, this is why i never get on these forums BECAUSE OF YOU ALL!!!

my mentor and good friend JIMMY FINGERS states that all you really need to read is Amateurs Hand book.

oh go and tell Paul Vigil to stay away from mentalism since he himself performs magic in his show as well!!!
is Paul Vigil a newbie too??? is Jimmy Fingers a newbie too? they all perform magic and mentalism!!!
I dare you to go and tell them to stay away from mentalism because they are doing magic as well.
They will slap you across the face... I know I would!

so let me ask yall something... do you all really believe yall have psychic powers???? cuz it sounds like yall are starting to believe yalll own lies!

STOP WITH YOUR BULLING ASS AND GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE LOTTERY!

Ok. . . I know Jimmy fairly well but look at where his career has gone vs. his buddy Banachek. Steve focused on one thing and his career moved forward at an escalated level for a number of reasons but the important one was FOCUS.

I love Jimmy to death, he's come up with some great stuff but he's like so many in the magic world, chasing the gigs rather than selling a brand. Banachek is a brand label, talent buyers know what they will get when they contract him. This is true with Max Maven, Rick Maue and a plethora of others out there who won't be doing Psychokinetic Sponge Bunnies as part of their program, or presenting the Linking Rings as some sort of PSI phenomena.

I don't know Paul Vigil I only know of him; he's much like Jay Sankey and a number of other cross overs that were once known for being solid card workers and when the Mentalism trend kicked in, they stepped into the commercial flow of things. I don't like the fact that people do this, but I do understand that we are obliged to shift gears at times, when our clients are demanding a certain type of program. People that aren't focused on a specific image (brand) readily get caught in this "gambit" BUT, the majority of these guys aren't doing Readings on the side and some of the other odds & ends the Old School Mentalist will do.

BTW. . . I have told some rather big names that they need to stick with what they are good at and leave the Mentalism for those of us that know it. I'm not abashed in the least to call a spade a spade and I really don't care who a person thinks they are.

Now my suggestion to you, is to stop talking about things you obviously know little to nothing about or worse, you're unwilling to learn when the lessons teach you a series of principles and standards a.k.a. rules of thumb for being the best you can be at a given thing. I've done magic for nearly 50 years now and I know just a little bit about it I'd like to think. I'm qualified to teach people about working big illusions, bizarre magick, some escape work, Seance and Mentalism these are the areas I have invested years of time into studying and performing. I don't know squat about card work so I will rarely say anything on that subject or any other subject in magic that I've not put time and effort into learning about. . . knowing the nuances that make what I present as real and impossible as I can get it. Today it's my job to share that information & experience with young people so they can carry the torch forward in the way our fore-bearers did for us.

You can act all cocky and self-important, wiggling your butt like Honey Boo Boo and thinking it cute. But I don't take such shenanigans lightly; I tend to bite back, and I tend to have a lot of material supporting my position when I do, so add things up before you step too far over the line.
 
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Wow. Someone had a big ol' cup of something to prove this morning.

I dont have to prove S***, specially to any of you.

You may be able to drop several names, but rants like this don't help anyone's case.

I can drop names all day long... MICHAEL WEBER! isn't he a mentalist?... wait! he released a book, "life savers", oh no! someone should tell him to stop doing mentalism! wait David Copperfield? David Blaine? oh wait ... Shut up!

does your post help anyones case? ...no, so shut it!

They make you look immature and unprofessional.

I rather look immature and unprofessional, than look like a stupid idiot that thinks he is better than everyone else.
 
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Aren't you just a delightful ray of ****ing sunshine.
And aren't you just a good for nothing motherf****r.


Let's see, in this one paragraph we have... six exclamation points. I'm sensing some hostility.
so lets see your have no F***ing argument.... you just going to mock me? haha thats great! well how about you sense a dick up your ass!


Ooh, look out ladies. Internet tough guy comin' through!
internet tough guy? haha Ill see you at Magic Live A*SH**E.... be prepare to swing.


Well, unlike you I seem to have enough clairvoyance to divine the location of the "shift" key instead of relying on CAPS LOCK.
HAVE ENOUGH CLAIRVOYANCE TO F*** OFF!


And you need to stop drinking antifreeze.
And you need to stop sucking dick.
 
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BTW. . . I have told some rather big names that they need to stick with what they are good at and leave the Mentalism for those of us that know it. I'm not abashed in the least to call a spade a spade and I really don't care who a person thinks they are.
"leave the Mentalism for those of us that know it" there we go again thinking that your better than everyone else!
if that's your style go ahead and perform that way but don't go around talking crap with your arrogant ass!

Now my suggestion to you, is to stop talking about things you obviously know little to nothing about or worse, you're unwilling to learn when the lessons teach you a series of principles and standards a.k.a. rules of thumb for being the best you can be at a given thing. I've done magic for nearly 50 years now and I know just a little bit about it I'd like to think. I'm qualified to teach people about working big illusions, bizarre magick, some escape work, Seance and Mentalism these are the areas I have invested years of time into studying and performing. I don't know squat about card work so I will rarely say anything on that subject or any other subject in magic that I've not put time and effort into learning about. . . knowing the nuances that make what I present as real and impossible as I can get it. Today it's my job to share that information & experience with young people so they can carry the torch forward in the way our fore-bearers did for us.
Just Cause your 100 years old dont give you the right to talk down on anyone! Thats your style of performing, Great! If that makes you happy great! but dont talk down or bully other performers that dont follow your style!

You can act all cocky and self-important, wiggling your butt like Honey Boo Boo and thinking it cute. But I don't take such shenanigans lightly; I tend to bite back, and I tend to have a lot of material supporting my position when I do, so add things up before you step too far over the line.
I think lines were crossed when You replied, with that being said you can go have a nice day old man!

Since Yall guys do nothing but mentalism and claim to be real psychics... I really hope your show is 15mins long!
cuz once you have proven you can read minds you dont need to go and over prove it for 1hour... and like I said go and tell David Blaine, Copperfield, Weber, Gregory Wilson, Eric Mead....Ect that they dont know s*it about Mentalism or that they shouldn't perform magic with mentalism...

Call your self anything you want but AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYTHING IS MAGIC!
 
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I rather look immature and unprofessional, than look like a stupid idiot that thinks he is better than everyone else.

A shame then that you look like both.

so lets see your have no F***ing argument.... you just going to mock me? haha thats great! well how about you sense a dick up your ass!

Are you coming onto me? I mean, I get this a lot, I'm not offended. I just want to let you know that your wasting your time.

internet tough guy? haha Ill see you at Magic Live A*SH**E.... be prepare to swing.

You do realize that threats are a bannable offense, right?

And you need to stop sucking dick.

I have to ask: if I really was gay... what would that be a bad thing? Kid, you're talking to a guy in his late 20's. I stopped finding accusations of homosexuality offensive almost two decades ago. This tells me that you are probably not old enough to buy beer. Or if you are, it shouldn't be sold to you anyway because you're certainly not mentally old enough to drink responsibly.

If you're going to abuse a substance, at least smoke a dooby. Because right now, you need to chill the hell out, little boy.

Since Yall guys do nothing but mentalism and claim to be real psychics... I really hope your show is 15mins long!
cuz once you have proven you can read minds you dont need to go and over prove it for 1hour...

You clearly have never seen Banachek or Max Maven do a live show, sparky. And that's to say nothing of Richard Webster, the name I drop around here more than my own.

This right here proves that you have never seen a mentalist perform live. Never. But you think you know what mentalism is because you can do a few card tricks. Same old song and dance.

Call your self anything you want but AT THE END OF THE DAY EVERYTHING IS MAGIC!

And here we get to the heart of the problem. This hollow, arrogant, chest-beating bull**** all comes from the fact that you think you should get something, whether that be material goods or the respect of others, because you demand it. You don't want to actually work for something, you want to just assign yourself a title and have everyone acknowledge you as such.

Tell you what: if you want me to say that you're a mentalist because you can do a card location, then I want you to only refer to me as El Conquistador. Why? Because I want to be called that. And who are you to tell me otherwise?
 
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