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error, everyone tries to defend their argument their best way possible, There have been a lot of times were I have shutted my mouth because someone proved their point over mine. I think that we all are learning here, it's nice to hear an opinion that's different from yours from time to time.

I didnt putted that way, trying to quote you, sad thing its that most people see it that way, I mean, there are obvious tricks where patter would just look stupid, search a little about the posts made by Visual artist and toyrobot, they usually talk a lot about motivation(and Im not takling...

No, im getting the pitchforks and the torches ready. Just you wait... And I am dead serious.

and that's what we did, we just told you the true. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HERE, WHO IS WITH ME?

No way!!! hahaha

Nope,there is another definition for shock magic: You can compare that kind of magic to the kind that dave and dan buck does, they doesnt have any presentation either than the obvious"your card dissapears, and it goes here" while it can get strong reactions, that's what "shock magic" it's...

Sorry davey, you are just going for "shock magic". You are just giving us your justifications of why you present your tricks that way... Personally, I dont like it, there its a vast difference bewteen someone that does "cool thingz" with cards and people that actually entertein. If...

Really? would you care to share?

Everything was going nice unti that point... Clipshift perfected in 2 days? I have 7 months with mine and its far from perfect. You should learn some humble lessons, let your actions speak for themselves.... Actaully im glad that you dont need money to improve, that's something a lot of...

mmm, I was wondering the same thing:rolleyes:

hey friend, I added you, Im raul dominguez, take care.

so what do you think about it?

hey what's up buddy, do you have facebook?

glad to see this, nicely done =)

As I have said before I agree completely with you, I just gave my reasons of why I prefer to use cards, I mean, everything has its pros a cons. =) BTW, I owe visual artist an apology, I sounded a bit rude at the beggining;).English it's not my first lenguage and sometimes I do not express...

ill send you a PM

About the coin thing, I refer you to this thread http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?t=7134

I am not going to lie, I agree with you 100% about using other things rather than cards, but giving the conditions and situations where I perform, and the way I perform, I have found cards to adjust all my necesities. That's why I use them =). Besides, talking about motivation, Im not like I...

I even talked with steer about this, while there is no motivation to bring a pack of cards, one of our first objectives with the audience its to get their attention. For example, steer pike told me the significance of the cards, how the four suits represented the four season of the year, and...

Im not talking about the cards itself, Im talking about the presentation used, the patter, the things that you are saying to them, all those things (in my opinion) can be adapted easier to card tricks and routines rather than using a coin and making it appear and dissapear all over the place. I...