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there was a nice trick using the ultra mental deck in magic mag this month.

aarons gimmick is sorta new. there have been other versions but i will say that aarons take on is the best iv seen. its not totally original like many promises of the site would like one to think, but its hands down the best gimmicked vanishing deck iv seen.

like every product on the site so far, its a copy of a old effect that shows up in print various places. five times five japan has a good version. in anycase im guessing the routine is waynes, but its funny that all the "fresh new underground magic" is stuff thats been around for 30 years or...

that pass sharp is talking about, is too my favorate shuttle pass. iv never used it as a click pass as justin showed it to me at a lecture during a break. hmm..... for a click pass i like the himber click pass

warlock this was after i talked to BJ on the phone. in that call i gave him the benifit of believeing what he said. that was ebfore i got to see the origonal routine. it was bad judgment on my part to listen to him, but i want to beleive that people not as bad as they are. no one is augueing...

others have ripped him off thats one reason you never hear from him. he told me he only sells to a list of people he compliled to stop the coping of his work

dean dill has some stuff to check his site.

its not that is A c/s routine. that would be silly. the fact is its his particular c/s routine. credit is not given where its due as it has someone elses name in the title.

justin, think about it this way. you create a trick using that double backed card, and sell it. i make the same effect using nerely identical handling and sell it with a new name. should i have asked you first? and if you said no, and thats what happened here, should i do it anyway and plead...

seems simple to me. and i just thought it was funny, how "super secret" they make it sound

panic is not a orignal plot. there are other vanishing decks, and there are some that vanish all but curtain cards. lets go over your "facts" we already covered one. panic is not a original plot. thats fine but your still wrong DD handling is unique. wrong, handles the same. sorry...

www.theory11.com/Underground - The most closely guarded secret in magic. See it. Only at theory11. so who's guarding this secret? lol cracks me up

its good to see such topics here. personally iv had much inner dialong trying to figure out the same thing. ill be keeping a eye on this thread. my only thing is that all the gospel magic iv seen is normaly hokey at best maybe we can improve that

dave said it just right. if someone did that with panic would aaron like it, no. but that what happens. Everyone gets mad at those who complain about it., but one day somone might steal your work.

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someone will surly cry for saying it here but what the heck. watch the DD trailer thats what it consists of. just being honest

i thought it was too my friend, but new stuff keeps coming up, at this point im just gonna watch it unfold

a more up to date discussion is still being held on the cafe http://themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=163349&forum=3&161&start=150

i disagree, and you have to look at it in context. if the only explaination is the right explaination then your done. iv had this happen to me before. its worse with effects using gaffs. i got hit hard with this doign justin millers triune. a day later someone came ot me and said the only...

looks nifty i suppose. after tigers, i now know not to buy any cards without a white boarder tho