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  1. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Why are you asking me when you answered the question yourself several days ago? Why are you addressing me when quoting somebody else?
  2. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Reading a bit too much into it Brad. Just pointing out that we're all getting a bit too free with the plurals. I did however also give you another consideration for why the satirists here in the States aren't going after Derren and Cyril. I think it's worth addressing.
  3. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Who's we? For me personally, nothing is too far. Only too soon. Of course, also consider that I don't see American satirists racing to make fun of Derren and Cyril probably because they're not that big Stateside. Blaine and Angel are much more recognized by us Yankees. They're much more...
  4. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Or it could simply be easier to make fun of.
  5. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    To this day I have not seen anyone on TV do things as clearly and practically as Cyril and Derren. I suppose in David Blaine's case it could be given a pass as his character is a sort of urban shaman. His neutral expressions and monotone voice are meant to create an air of mystery, a man whose...
  6. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    The most obvious answer with Cyril is that a lot of his effects make a certain internal sense. Everyone knows about the burger out of a menu. I told a guy who had never heard of Cyril about that and he said, "If I could do that, I'd basically never stop." Though not his entire repertoir...
  7. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    I believe so, yes. I think the divide mainly comes because the two types seldom make an effort to speak one another's language. It's an idea I've picked up from my father. He's a consultant who specializes in making businesses more effective rather than efficient. To default to my film...
  8. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    A little defensive, I think, but I can roll with it. A recurring pattern I've noticed is that artists' knowledge tends to alter our perceptions. This is not an inherently bad thing. It can however lead to people being unable to step out of their own heads. A lot of things can lead to that...
  9. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    A praetoritevong said, that depends largely on the individual, does it not? On general principle, I find it expedient to listen to all opinions and create a sort of tableau. I watch for patterns to emerge and from there I can adapt.
  10. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    You're creating false dichotomies Brad. This isn't an us vs. them situation.
  11. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    It wasn't dismissal. It was simply a reminder that our knowledge changes our perspective. As a filmmaker, I cannot watch movies the same way as my friends do. I try to, but I'm ultimately going to have to rely on the opinions of people outside my field to fill in the gaps in my perspective...
  12. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Brad, for the third and final time, that is not what I am saying. If I want to speak to someone who will turn my arguments into straw men, I will argue with a religious fundamentalist about evolution. But from you, I expect better. If all you can do is boil it down to popular vs good, then...
  13. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Check out YouTube. When people aren't acting like complete apes, it's possible to get a decent impression of what the general reactions to a piece of material are going to be. Dan, you're a magician too. What impresses us may not necessarily impress anybody else.
  14. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    I would not call The Flintstones recent, for one thing. It aired when The Honeymooners was still getting new episodes. And it wasn't a remake so much as a transparent rip-off. My point was that if The Honeymooners had never existed and Jackie Gleason tried to pitch the show in 2010, it...
  15. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    For the sake of argument, The Honeymooners was also very successful in its time. But if Jackie Gleason made the exact same pitch, wrote the exact same scripts, and presented it the exact same way today as he did back then... do you think it would be as successful? I'm pretty skeptical...
  16. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    I'm heavily involved in several media. Movies, metal, video games... I talk a lot with the fans as well as up-and-coming artists themselves. And they all speak their own language. It comes from speaking the language of your medium of choice. What impresses one filmmaker won't necessarily...
  17. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Considering that's a major part of conversation, I don't think we should ever speak in person. Robots give me the creeps. My words: Those weren't rhetorical questions. I expected real answers. I wanted you to stop talking about what Criss is doing wrong morally now and what he did right...
  18. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Okay, I just have to address this really quick: Brad, it's text. I have very little to go on here, so I just have to guess what your motivations are and what the appropriate reaction should be. If I get it wrong, then just tell me, "No, that's not what I meant," and all is mended. Don't...
  19. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    I was speaking to the idea of, "What if you had given us your theories instead of complaining about us?" By mentioning Rick, my point was that I get what you're trying to do, but I believe your skillset is better served in other topics. There are people whose opinions on this issue I believe...
  20. Steerpike

    Who should we emulate, exactly?

    Brad, you crossed the T yourself. Rick has always been very straightforward with me. You said yourself that he gives freely of his knowledge and experience with no strings attached. That is why I defer to him. It is not name calling or ad hominem to say that I found your behavior rude. I...
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