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Genesis VS XtremeBeginnerz
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XB was pretty solid and all. But then Genesis was released and it changed everything. I used to never ever be able to even pull off a fan, I can now, one handed shuffle, never... until now. I can actually see potential in cardistry now after I got Genesis. You could say that this is an exaggeration, but it's true. Don't question getting it, just get it.
This topic can definitely stir up some debate.
If possible, I would say get both. They are too different to compare in many ways.
But, they are still comparable at the same time, as contradicting as that is. I would argue for Genesis simply because it is more recent, and the production quality is much higher, and the explanations come in many forms. Plus, many of the XCM moves taught on Xtreme Beginnerz are outdated. Not all of them, like the fundamentals and such are still taught well, but the more unique ones are very old-school.
I learned from XB to begin with, but I think Genesis might have been more effective if I started out with that. I'm only 2 years into flourishing though.
Anyways, both if you can, but if you can only afford one, Genesis would be my honest suggestion.
If possible, I would say get both. They are too different to compare in many ways.
But, they are still comparable at the same time, as contradicting as that is. I would argue for Genesis simply because it is more recent, and the production quality is much higher, and the explanations come in many forms. Plus, many of the XCM moves taught on Xtreme Beginnerz are outdated. Not all of them, like the fundamentals and such are still taught well, but the more unique ones are very old-school.
I learned from XB to begin with, but I think Genesis might have been more effective if I started out with that. I'm only 2 years into flourishing though.
Anyways, both if you can, but if you can only afford one, Genesis would be my honest suggestion.
Yeah, I am no fanboy, but genesis puts xb to shame. If you are truly new to flourishing, then andrei had you taken care of. His explanations and demonstrations are second to none. I found myself relearning a lot of things and picking up speed and fluidity. If I could do it over, I would have started with this to save weeks of fumbling around with shoddy technique when I was starting.
Just remember that he is left handed, so you'll want to reverse what he's doing if you're not. it's not really a big deal, but something to keep in mind. Best of luck in your start in flourishing. Just remember to be patient and that many of these things just take a lot of time regardless of the instruction.
Just remember that he is left handed, so you'll want to reverse what he's doing if you're not. it's not really a big deal, but something to keep in mind. Best of luck in your start in flourishing. Just remember to be patient and that many of these things just take a lot of time regardless of the instruction.
Personally, I think XB is not worth in my opinion, but it really depends on what style of cardistry you want. Andrei Jikh's Genesis seems a great dvd if you want to focus on cardistry. On the other hand, if you want your style to be more Handlordz, then XB is a great way to go.
Actually, fanning is something I've always wanted to do but never been able to remotely pull off. So I got Xtreme beginners because of the workshop... didn't help me and my hand size. It wasn't until Genesis that I could pull off a half way decent fan... and it only took him... less than 10 minutes to explain.
I've watched the fanning workshop in XB about 10-15 times and I still couldn't figure out the pressure fan.
I watched Genesis and it was much easier to learn.
I watched Genesis and it was much easier to learn.
its an important and fundemental aspect of flourishing
i didnt buy Genesis, but i do have XB, id say the fanning work shop would be great if they cut a lot of the useless talking.
I saw some clips from Genesis tho, Andrei has a unique/strange looking thumb fan because of the way he pivots
i didn't say it was. Anyway, Andrei can form standard thumb fans as well, but I guess he just prefers the unconventional pivot point.
They are both really really good. I prefer XB for the fanning section, but I think that the instruction on Genesis is the best I've ever seen.
If it's a question over buying one over the other, get both- you can learn invaluble tips on both and you can learn different way to do a certain move.
If it's a question over buying one over the other, get both- you can learn invaluble tips on both and you can learn different way to do a certain move.