How would you expand the art?

May 17, 2009
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Remember me? I was that annoying guy who hosted a small competition back at christmas. Today though, I return again with a slightly different challenge.
So for those of you who listen to the Alex and David Rangel's 816 podcast (http://816.posterous.com/), first off you should and must listen however in their recent episode there was a lengthy discussion on the art of magic and who contributes to it. It got me thinking about how can I contribute to magic? Not to myself but to the world of magic and to magicians across the world. So to keep this post short I wanted to ask one simple question: How would YOU contribute to the art of magic? What would you do to help the new kid? What could you do to advance what we know? What could you do to built a better community? Anything!
So to the point I have decided to host a small competition, now I don't want this to be viewed as a 'battle' or an argument over views but more an educated discussion over what could be done? Now I don't want this to turn out as 'cheesy' or an attempt to win free items but genuine views from you guys, as 'forum members' we get so much stick from other magicians as being 'those kids behind computers', I want to dispel this theory and I want us all to bring our heads together and give magicians a reason to give us the respect many of us deserve.
So here is the challenge:
Post either an essay, a youtube video, a picture even anything just to get through your views on how to expand the art and what you can contribute to it or what you are already doing to help it.
What will happen is I will choose 5 of the best submissions and start a poll for the winner on the 20th of May later this month to choose the person whose views related most to the rest of the community and who has a genuine desire to help the art.
So our prizes?
1st place: 1 red and 1 violet wynn casino playing cards
2nd place: 1 brick of mixed alladin playing cards
3rd place: 1 red and 1 blue deck of Split Spades
Just thought I would add a little something for a healthy discussion.
Submit all replies to this thread or if you desire feel free to PM them to me or hit me up at my email: joshsimpson666@msn.com
Hope this turns out into a interesting discussion and look forward to what comes up!
Josh Simpson
 
Apr 14, 2011
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Working on it! Finals are right now so it'll be done in a week or so! I really want those Wynns......
 

JohnShack

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Feb 3, 2011
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Oklahoma City, OK
I perform with Rappers and Bands. It sounds simple, but it's not, it's incredibly difficult to consistantly put on those types of shows. Especially locally when everyone has seen you perform at least once, That's what I do, It provides me an audience that may or may not have known I was going to be there and then impressing them creating new buzz, and fans. If there is any advice I could ever give anyone it's to try it out if you have that style of performance. I average 60 shows a year just in concert venues, I have performed in almost every club in Oklahoma, and 9 times out of ten I meet someone who says, "I've always thought of magic as some guy pulling a rabbit out of a hat" As well when I attend parties it's the same. I've created new fans that way and I'm sure several magicians have heard that statement before, but not many have taken it to this type of venue.

I know I have at least expanded my magical community of friends and fans.

So I suppose this is my round about way of saying taking magic to places it doesn't typically go.

John
 
How would i expand the art?
An essay by Mikk P.​

Magic has not changed for the good part of the last millennium. Hands are quicker than the eye principles have been used for 3 000-4 000 years, at that time, mostly street performers in Egypt doing quick cons by playing the 3 Shell game which in todays terms has grown to be the Cups&Balls act. Although this is a solid theory of the first steps mankind did to start the evolution of magic some study suggests we are looking at a much bigger history.It is suggested by many that magic was used 6 000 years ago, funny enough still in Egypt and Mesopotamia where priests(of different gods) did magic to show their connection with the gods and that they were the true holders of the godly powers. It was a sort of competition, the better the illusion, the more people joined the belief of that priests god. Also shamans, witches, warlocks etc. have been known to use sleight-of-hand magic in their schemes.
If we start thinking about the time scale now then men and women of different ages, races and education have helped advance the art of magic for the past 6 000 years. What can we learn from this? Why have we managed to evolve this much? Where are we today? What can a magician do to help this movement?

To start off there is one potential flaw in our understanding of magic in the modern world. That little thing that changes everything and not only in magic, but in a persons life in general, that thing is called Faith.
Todays magician is not interested in crossing the line of being seen as a miracle worker. The pure idea of saying that you accomplish these feats by nothing more than your mind and superhuman powers is nauseating. We try to show people that we have fast hands, clever schemes and cool gadgets but still nobody cares for a magician who is waving his or her iPhone and showing people an effect that really has no real meaning or entertainment value. This happens because people don't understand the big history and actual tradition behind magic. Magic used to be a family tradition. You would get schematics of illusions from your dad and grandfather and passed them down to your sons, this made performing magic a tradition that was exclusive to only a few . Today you can buy magic from a regular supermarket and you don't even have to think about the fact that when you show a poorly practiced move to a group of friends and they catch the method you have basically lost nothing of big importance. 500 years ago you were banished from your family because of your selfish acts to get famous too quick. So belief, tradition and understanding will give you everything you need to be a powerful performer. Belief in what you are doing gives you credibility amongst your viewers. Although most of us are the only magicians in our families, believing in your magic is the first step to making a difference, we sometimes think that just showing effects is the way to go, it is not. We have to perform, we are practitioners of Theater so lets act that way too. An actor has a character to play and we should too and be it what it is, when you want to read minds you believe in that and never look back. Although we don't have to go as far as some did in 1484 when the pope Innocent the 8th gave the order of killing everyone who did magic(witches etc. were burned and tortured) and many of the practitioners at that time did not give up on magic and did not say that what they were doing was fake, they stood by their words and were killed knowing that what they did was real. Although in todays society that seems like suicide it actually shows, in a very brutal manner, that magic is an art form which needs to be firstly believed in by the practitioner himself and only then can people be willing enough to believe the stories we create for them. To give a healthy boost to magic in general we need to think differently and firstly believe that what we are doing is real. I mean who is here to say the opposite? When i say i'm going to read your mind, i'm going to do that but i have never said what means i'm going to use to get that information. To the spectator you are reading someones mind by using your mind, to the performer it seems that he is reading the persons mind using a center tear. Either way, you are showing the same skill only that people on either end perceive it differently, but as long as we truly believe that we are doing just, that people will take your confidence and really start to believe in YOU. When they believe in you, you can say or do anything and it will appear as real to them. So the first thing to do is to get every performer to think about their character, the way people see you and this gives you the ability to believe in your work. If we don’t believe in the feats we perform, who will?

To take the idea of tradition a bit further think about todays magicians. Most of them learn magic via DVDs. Which has its good and bad points but what it really does is that it darkens our idea of learning magic. This seems normal to us, learning from DVDs and Streaming content online but a few decades ago you had to have a teacher, a person that was successful in the field to teach you and to guide you. This was to me the next step in the evolution in magic. Magic needed to break loose from the constraints of family secrets due to it not evolving as fast and as fluently as it should have, making a teacher student type system to learn magic was the way to go. But that great tradition has now become a rare thing to spot. Although i love books i feel that you need a teacher to really get the points across. In todays IT-Society information is easy to find but hard to process since there just is so much information sitting around on every corner but finding the right corner is as hard as finding a boiled egg amongst freshly laid eggs. Every magician should have a teacher or a mentor to get advice from, this bond between two magicians does two things.

A) The teacher, a practitioner of magic and theater, was once taught by a practitioner of the same level. His teaching was what made this man the man he is today, so giving the advice is crucial if the tradition is to be maintained. But it should be noted that everything you learn might not be right so the master has to take the words his teacher once told him and modify them to make them complete. This crazy cycle will keep the information fresh and up to date and it will stay alive to live another day, crediting the person that once thought of it.

B) I already kind of touched it in the A side but the second crucial thing that happens thanks to this is obtaining knowledge that you cannot find anywhere else. Most magicians gather a big amount of little bits of knowledge they don’t share with anyone in any manner. These little snippets are the core foundation of magic, the experiences of ones life long journey. By having a teacher that has already gone through the steps you would re-take you are one step ahead of everyone. You can take it as a simple game that has levels. Lets say your teacher is on level 100 and you are on level 5, when he has taught you everything you need to know you will be on level 105 and when you are in the position to start teaching then you are on level 205 and your student will be on level 5 and after his trainings on level 210 and the circle start all over again.

Although the two points are very similar one is concerned with keeping a kind of style alive the other getting the student to be ready for any situation before it has ever happened.

The last thing i want to touch is self experimentation. When i was in Germany last year i met with a lawyer(i actually lived with him for 10days because of a student exchange program) who told me that you should always question authority. Although the system i’ve just explained is great it cannot work if the student does not go out and test out every single technique to be the best they can be. Taking leaps of faith and always being the bigger man is something that will pay you back in a few years.

I am going to close the box and put the bow on it now. There are three things we need to take into consideration when advancing the art. First faith in ourselves, our art and in CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT(these two words contain many aspects of performing: acting, character development, finding the right effects, good writing skills for your presentations and much more). Tradition and trying to get magicians teaching magicians. This crucial step put down in time by our ancestors has clearly worked to this date and is something we should all strive to have. Most importantly, self experimentation. Try everything, see everything, feel everything and most important of all you live only once and you wont see those people again(if you live in a city with 500+ thousand residents) GO.OUT.AND.PERFORM, you will never regret it! If we don’t perform we don’t evolve. I will leave you with the information above to think about the next bit of knowledge: “How can we advance the art, if we are not advancing ourselves.”
 
Mar 15, 2011
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Well to expand the art, for starters, I wound place a pump inside the arts mouth, pump it until the art is severely inflated, then take the pump out, while the art spurts away, like a popped ballon, or Wile E Coyote. Just kidding (mostly) I try to expand the art by contributing new things and trying to change my spectators outlook on magicians. People think of magicians as either clowns, Cardinis, or Criss Angels. To them, those are the only people that can do magic, people that are distant, playing a character. But when a guy walks up to you, whose most odd feature is his suit jacket and the cards in his hands, the spectator doesn't expect great things, as a matter of fact, they don't know what to expect at all. Use that. I work the tailgaters by my local stadium (if you live near a stadium, this is a great gig, I have yet to get kicked out of the parking lot, people have money on them, they are just drunk and high enough to enjoy your magic without trying to whack the cards outta your hand) and am planning to go into restaurant magic. I try to get them to remember my name "you can't spell Dobbs, without bs" It gets a chuckle, and they remember my name. I do some magic with cards, coins, rings, rubber bands and dollar bills, now they remember my magic. I make them laugh and become their best friend for 5 minutes (if anyone asks how a trick is done, I either say magic, or pull them aside and tell them to, when they turn around, say oooooooooh and never tell anyone) and then they remember how I made them feel. I pass around a business card or two and hope for a tip (I think what you do at the end, your last trick, is what they remember the most, don't make it the trick of forcing your spectator to give you money, I've been toying with the idea of passing around my hat, promising the best trick of all, if they fill the hat up. But I wouldn't recommend this to restaurant workers, as I am of the opinion that their opinion, and what they say to the manager about you bugging them for tips, matters more. Tips should be given willingly and happily) I try to expand the art by being the best example of a magician I can be, by creating new tricks, approaches and methods and by working with my fellow magicians to achieve all we can.
 
Dec 20, 2009
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Well first, im sorry I wasn't able to upload the video because the person who filmed it is away and can't send it anytime soon, so I just figured I'd write this without the video (atleast for the time being)

How would I expand the art?

About two weeks ago, I performed my first real 'gig' at a hobby club for kids ages 6-18. It went really well but what was really awesome was after the show, there was a Q&A session. Gradually it turned into this very fun Jam session sort of with everyone coming up and showing a magic tricks they knew, I helped them realise the one thing I LOVE about practicing magic. Theres no real 'wrong' and there aren't too many limitations.More on that later though.


Anyway, Before the Q&A I had to show this group of kids in the hobby club how to do one trick, I showed them the French drop. Later, after showing them how to do it there was this one girl who asked me, "What if they ask if its in the other hand". I then proceeded to explain how you can use a pen from your pocket as a magic wand and ditch the coin in the process of taking out the pen. Then in the Jam session, they all came up with little improvements on basic tricks(many already exsisted,but I wasn't going to tell them that). They came up with false shuffles themselves, I think if more people found out how VAST magic can be, many more people would be interested.

When you play a musical instrument, if you didn't like a particular chord and adjusted it to your style the song sounds odd. Or if you play a slow song with heavy metal music its...awkward. But in magic, if you have problems with a sleight, you adjust it. To be more clear, if you're using a Pass and you don't like a 'classic' pass, you create a different kind of pass. A great example is THIS video. Notice how he riffles the cards in the beginning. Most left handed people, even if they liked having a card selected that way would assume they have to use a spread or some other method. Its the little things like this that Im referring to, you just have to make it fit YOU. I see everyone trying to create with attempts at being 'original' and the 'new creative prodigy'. I was guilty of this too. But then I realised there are styles(close up, stage, mentalism etc), moves and sleights, if you adjust these to fit YOU it works great. Everyone has a different 'natural'. In my opinion it isn't just about finding your style its also about adjusting that style to fit you. Magic is VERY flexible.

And what better place to find people interested than a hobby club where they're hunting for hobbies, I'm definately going to do more such performances in the future and hopefully they will be as good. About 4-5 kids area already interested in magic after that show- They're passing around Joshua Jay's Complete Course in Magic. I wish I could see how they're doing and stuff, but Im sort of on vacation now. I only visit here for a month once every year.

This is how I would expand the art, by telling people what I love about it. And if they do too, I'll welcome them with arms wide open.

- Jenai
 
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