What force is this?

Chrisg · May 25, 2012

I saw this on YouTube and I've never seen this force before, anybody know if its available anywhere?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR_Qh8bNwbw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Craig Browning · May 25, 2012

I'm no card expert but I'd say he did a variation to the old Water Fall Force. He's quite clever but the routine isn't that new. . . I want to say Max Maven but I may be wrong on that.

Josh Burch · May 25, 2012

L'Homme Masque, David Berglas as well as Derren Brown have versions that are similar.

Yvanzimmermann · May 28, 2012

is the force a 100%?

Craig Browning · May 29, 2012

No force is 100%. . . it's up to the performer to improve his/her odds.

In the case noted above, the risk assessment is relatively low however

Ady01 · May 29, 2012

Craig.. what you said sounds good for the sake of magic's philosophy, but in reality there are some forces that are 100%.

RealityOne · May 29, 2012

Ady01 said:
Craig.. what you said sounds good for the sake of magic's philosophy, but in reality there are some forces that are 100%.

Even using a cross-cut force, the spectator could ask for the card on the bottom of the cut; in a riffle force, the spectator can say, "actually I said stop too soon, can you go five more cards?" after you've split the packets; using a forcing deck, the spectator can go for the top or bottom card if you have different cards in those positions or can insist on naming the card they choose. Nothing is 100%.

Toby · May 29, 2012

RealityOne said:
Even using a cross-cut force, the spectator could ask for the card on the bottom of the cut; in a riffle force, the spectator can say, "actually I said stop too soon, can you go five more cards?" after you've split the packets; using a forcing deck, the spectator can go for the top or bottom card if you have different cards in those positions or can insist on naming the card they choose. Nothing is 100%.

I just have to add a short funny and kind of sad story. There was a magician in Serbia some years ago on TV who did "Classic Force" in every single show with 100% accuracy. The show was live. How? He used a stooge lol So if you want your force to work, just use a stooge and you can force ANYTHING lol

p.s. The story is true, but I'm kidding about using stooges. Thank you!

Craig Browning · May 30, 2012

My thanks to R1 for putting things straight. . .