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bentley

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People are used to seeing me with custom decks that they just assume it is a regular deck. Plus since bicycle has come out with some decks of their on people just assume I get them from the company. They came out with the tragic deck and all of those kinds and assume I bought something from them. So I have no problem.
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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Do you guys think the design of the back contributes to suspicion? For example, Ghosts are clearly a bicycle deck which has been severely faded. On the other hand Centurions look highly customized. Which do you think will arouse more suspicion?

Another question is, what about color? Can somebody show me a deck you can buy in a convenience store which is mostly black on the back, let alone on the face? Personally, I think that outstanding colors (like dark black) definitely attract suspicion simply because most people would not see such a color on a deck outside of a magicians performance.

Clearly the presentation plays a role. Like Wayne said, most people don't have a thorough understanding of regular cards, let alone trick cards. So when you insist that they make sure the cards are well and good, in the act of seemingly removing doubt you are contributing to it. Most people in your audience would not know what a stripper, or a Svengali deck is. At best they will have some inkling of a possibility of trick cards existing. So when you tell them to make sure your cards aren't tricky, you are confirming to them that trick cards do exist.

There is also something to be said about being too nonchalant about your sweet deck. I'm assuming that's what happened with the Stigmata shoot. Clearly, the cards that you are handling aren't some run of the mill thing you pick up in a gas station, so why handle them as if they are? I think that either the timing of the tricks need to be adjusted, or the cards need to be shown to the spectators prior to the tricks so that they can get past the point of marveling at them. Ghosts are a good example. I mean, come on. Black outline around hearts/diamonds? That's absolutely gorgeous. We all know that you spent the first hour after first opening the deck to look at the details on every single card. But by the time you are using them to show tricks, you will be taking their outstanding look for granted. It might be this disconnect that trips people up during your performance. Of course, I'm only speculating.

I think there might be a positive side about people thinking you are using a trick deck. Hear me out, this logic is based on a principle that a routine involving a trick deck contains highly similar types of tricks. I think most of us know of a trick which "teaches" the audience how a certain move is done, meanwhile a different thing takes place. This is misdirection at it's finest. We all know that you are not teaching them nothing but where to look during the effect. Isn't it possible that if the spectators think that you are using a trick deck, they will stop carefully looking for specific moves that you are making? And honestly, how many (uniquely different) tricks do you think you have to perform for the same person until they can't logically think that the secret behind all of them is the exact same trick deck? 3? 4? I don't mean come out and say that you are using a trick deck, but try to perform different types of tricks (which is good advice in and of itself) to remove suspicions of a trick deck, instead of telling people to check each card carefully. What do you guys think?

And lastly, for a long time everybody had to use the same plain cards, which were clearly guided for the lowest common denominator. Recently however, we got the ability to create our own custom decks. I think we went overboard. I think that this will change. I think that in the near future we will see custom decks which have a refreshingly simple (not in your face) back design, painted with a simple yet sophisticated color palette. The quality of which will significantly surpass that of the common decks. And I think that this will be the new norm for custom decks.
 
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Sep 2, 2007
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I am rather fond of using black decks (Tigers, Shadow Masters and Vipers). I have run across the occasional person that will believe that they are trick decks, and I always allow them to inspect the cards to their hearts content. Most people just think that they are cool looking or whatever. I feel that if you bring attention to the difference in the cards then suspicion will arise. Once I bring out the card I will let people look at them, then I move on with the performance. More often than not, people are more impressed with the effects, than the pretty cards. But if you allow your cards to out shine your skill, then we end up where we started.
If more of us used the custom decks, then laypeople would get used to them. The fact that this thread exists shows that there are enough of us that like using custom decks. So, my challenge to all of you is to go out, use your custom decks and make people believe in the magic, not in the cards.
 
Sep 2, 2007
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80 % chance that you will get accused with a deck of card's that aren't bikes.

I was doing magic and some guy thought that black tally hos were gimmicked.

Same can be said with any other custom deck like guardians or black card's.

But it you use blue or red cards chances are you won't get called on a rigged deck. Most people or poker players are used to a blue or red backs. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be called on a account of cheating if you used red or blue wynn's
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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If more of us used the custom decks, then laypeople would get used to them.

Exactly. People will get used to them being handled solely by magicians. If you want laypeople to really get used to them, sell them in convenience stores for a buck each, so that they see these cards being played in weekend poker games. Until then, forget about a world where people are truly used to them.

The best thing we can hope for is that custom decks look like regular decks (ie simple design and simple coloring), and are only outstanding in terms of quality.
 
Dec 20, 2007
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Can somebody show me a deck you can buy in a convenience store which is mostly black on the back, let alone on the face? Personally, I think that outstanding colors (like dark black) definitely attract suspicion simply because most people would not see such a color on a deck outside of a magicians performance.

Convenience store? Well, no, I couldn't. But I can take you to Target, Wal-Mart, Walgreens or any number of retail, pharmacy or grocery stores and we could buy Bicycle decks in black, silver, gray, purple, pink, lime green and powder blue. We could also buy Bees, Hoyles (which are now Bicycles with a different design), Studs, VIPs, Mavericks, Aviators or any number of different brands. Also, magicians have made good use of Tallys.

As long as spectators see the normal faces (suits and values), they are going to know they are cards. (That's why gaffed cards are so effective. A 13 of Diamonds is unexpected.) Also, it's only when spectators ask about the deck do I show it to them, once I'm clean. I don't invite the question. I just answer it.
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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I look at the card sections of stores usually and I've never seen non red/blue bikes. Maybe that's because I'm in Canada. But good point nonetheless. I guess it's not as much the colors as it is the design.
 
Dec 20, 2007
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Joplin, Mo., USA
What drives me nuts is that every store markets cards differently. If you want a deck of Bicycles in Wal-Mart, then go to the toys & games section and pick up a single deck; that's also where they keep the colored decks, VIPs, Club Casinos and cards with cartoon characters on them. But when you get up to the register, you can find double-packs of Bicycles for a cheaper per-unit price. Why aren't those in the games section? And if you want Hoyles, don't look in the toys & games, or the register shelves... go to the PARTY FAVORS section. WTF?

Target also has most of theirs in the toys & games section, but scatters other cards elsewhere throughout the store. Walgreen's keeps all of theirs in one place. That's where I've found 4-packs with two red decks and two black decks for $10.

I guess throwing cards everywhere in a store ultimately helps magicians who prefer custom decks, so I should keep my mouth shut...
 

James Wise Magic

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Although the fact that you're being called on for a trick deck sucks, if you're really using a regular deck and they still don't belive you when you say it's a normal deck of cards after you do a trick. I concider that a compliment, because that means that I've done my job.

If the spec. can't think of ANY explantion exept that it's a trick deck then that means that you've done your job as a magician/performer. You're done it good enough so they have NO idea how it's even possible.

But if I bust out a Shadow Masters or a Guardan deck and I do a trick, and they ask me if it's a trick deck, I say no and just about all the time they will belive me, so that's good. I'll even let them check out the deck as much as they like to show that it's completly normal, just cool looking.
 
Dec 20, 2007
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Joplin, Mo., USA
If you're really using a regular deck and they still don't believe you when you say it's a normal deck of cards after you do a trick, I consider that a compliment, because that means that I've done my job.

I have never thought of it that way before. I have always wanted the credit for having amazing sleight-of-hand skills. Now that I think about it, I like your way a whole lot better.
 
I think that it matters more about the color of the deck than the back design. I use Tally's regularly and don't have a problem. In the rare case that I do, I just point out that it says that the cards are made by the U.S. Playing Card Company. (on the box)
 
I have a lot of problems with custom decks.

1. I have a hard enough time from people who want to constantly examine a normal deck over and over. Also, so many laymen know about gimmicked decks. People say " I used to have a deck the you can reverse a card and it will stick out in the deck(stripper deck).

Also, people usually aren't familiar with cards, but if your using a deck that no laymen has ever seen before like Tigers, Ghosts, Centurions, ect, it will cause even more suspicsion.

2. I just don't see what purpose they serve unless it's a certain theme. They won't inhance your skills. I you perform a good trick with a custom deck, than a normal, it won't give you a better reaction.

3. The price. T11 has a pretty reasonable price, but at E the Vipers are like $8! $8 for a deck of playing cards, that lasts maybe a week more than the average Bicycle isn't worth it.

4. This is just to a lot of black decks in general. I don't want to go out their and look like I'm some kid who thinks he's really cool due to his black playing cards. Basically don't want to look like that kid who buys all the expensive equipment on the team, but doesn't have anything to show for it.

5. I could get 12 Bikes at Costco for like $13, so why should I buy like 2-3 custom decks for the same or more amount of money.

Just my $00.02
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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Although the fact that you're being called on for a trick deck sucks, if you're really using a regular deck and they still don't belive you when you say it's a normal deck of cards after you do a trick. I concider that a compliment, because that means that I've done my job.

You have clearly never worked a paying gig. It's not about being complemented, it's about making sure that the audience is enjoying you. I would say that most people don't _really_ believe in magic, but they can entertain the idea. But if they think that you are using a trick deck then it takes them out of that experience, and their enjoyment could plummet. They don't care what you treat as a complement.
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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4. This is just to a lot of black decks in general. I don't want to go out their and look like I'm some kid who thinks he's really cool due to his black playing cards. Basically don't want to look like that kid who buys all the expensive equipment on the team, but doesn't have anything to show for it.

Amen.

Personally I dabble in custom decks because of their quality. My favorite custom deck is the masters. 0 suspicion, and it costs less than any other custom deck. That's why I want more common looking custom decks, but with outstanding quality.
 
Sep 3, 2007
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My thoughts:

- Custom faces makes spectators suspicious. They all know what a regular court card looks like.
- Custom backs doesn't make spectators suspicious, because, as Wayne Houchin says, most laymen don't know what a "normal deck of cards" should look like.
 
Feb 25, 2008
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I think a custom deck can do a lot to build up a certain image for a magician. It just adds to their persona.

If I used a custom deck in a gig I would most likely give away the deck at the end of the night.
 

Aos

Mar 6, 2008
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I think that custom decks already have an image, and most people who get them get them for that image. The problem is that unless you wear eye makeup and a lot of black you can't pull that image off, and the cards look goofy in your hands.

One of the large messages from this site is that you should be yourself as a magician. I think this should apply to kids who get a new (perhaps all black) custom deck and their behavior changes. It's just some paper stuck together and painted... If you think that your performance will be greatly benefited by a fancy deck you need better tricks.
 
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Sep 9, 2007
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most laymen have now idea what a Bicycle deck of cards is.

cerca trova.

ho trovato un "typo"....:D

as for custom decks, i find most of the time they don't really blame it on the deck if let them inspect it (before and after if you can). Tell them us magicians like yourself are just nerds and like fancy decks. Also, tell them they last longer because they use better paper - they're made for performing.

Any of those 3 will work.

now, using custom decks with gaffs....that's pushing it....you might convince them at first, but after the trick they'll blame the deck again.
 
Dec 17, 2007
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Although the fact that you're being called on for a trick deck sucks, if you're really using a regular deck and they still don't belive you when you say it's a normal deck of cards after you do a trick. I concider that a compliment, because that means that I've done my job.

If the spec. can't think of ANY explantion exept that it's a trick deck then that means that you've done your job as a magician/performer. You're done it good enough so they have NO idea how it's even possible.

But if I bust out a Shadow Masters or a Guardan deck and I do a trick, and they ask me if it's a trick deck, I say no and just about all the time they will belive me, so that's good. I'll even let them check out the deck as much as they like to show that it's completly normal, just cool looking.

That is EXACTLY how I see it. It obviously means that my sleight of hand was top notch. I love the "trick deck" reactions.
 
Feb 3, 2008
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I honestly love using custom decks and I don't find there being any problem using them in my performance. I have never had spectators suspect that I'm using a trick deck, they only usually comment on how awesome the deck looks or for people who know me "Ooohhh, you have a new deck!? I wanna see!"

Perhaps I don't have a problem with this because of the way I present myself and present the cards. I present myself as "real" and down to earth, I don't try to blow myself out of proportion. "Don't take yourself too seriously. And don't be too serious about not taking yourself too seriously." - Howard Ogden

I present the cards casually sometimes saying something about how I have an obsession with cards and how I love using cards that look different or snazzy. If its a new custom deck, I may also say something about it being a new deck that I just got. Sometimes as I'm saying this, I'll also be fanning through it or spreading it showing it off and pointing out different features, "Check out what the Ace of Spades looks like in this deck." Then I'll tell them that even though it may look different, its a completely normal deck of cards and I'll show this or sometimes let them examine the deck. Then I perform. I always ALWAYS let the spectators examine the deck after I'm done with my performance, so just as the thought "trick deck" enters their mind, it is completely blown away.

Now as far as why use a custom deck, I think some people have missed the point or haven't caught on to the idea yet or have even tried incorrectly and failed with the lines "Oh its a trick deck." Why do I use a custom deck? The number one reason is that it looks cool and differentiates me from the average person. Even though I present myself as a down to earth guy, I like to subtly suggest that I am something more. Custom decks are a style that you "wear" like a shirt, instead of wearing the plain old shirt that everyone else wears. Custom decks make you unique and even more memorable.

On a side note, I find Wayne's experience with Ghost decks to be very interesting. I had begun to notice something very similar when I used to perform with them. So with that, it is very important to note that the custom deck must not distract from the performance and this is why I love T11's decks so much. The faces of T11's decks look completely normal, so they aren't distracting.

-Cyrus
 
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