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yooooo i just read that link in the magic cafe, Thats crazy!!!! T11 better not delete that link unless they really got something to hide. If thats true then I would hope what goes around comes around. Sad yall, really sad. AND still no REAL answer from T11... good way to dodge the bullet...

If ANY good comes from this thread PLEASE let it be this... if you are a professional or not, male or female, 9 or 99 years old... just THINK before you post. This 12 page MESS is proof of it. This isn't about young magicians and lecture notes, its about arrogance, ignorance, and getting caught...

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! WEEEEEEEEEEE! Are you kidding me? its freaking lecture notes. Who in their right mind cares? People are comparing it to a doctors first surgery? YO LISTEN UP! Snap out of your diluted dream world! Its a freak paper about MAGIC!!! You either have a good effect or not...

I'm sure they could, but it would be really shady of them to do so. It's like stealing ideas, although it happens all the time... DD

awwww looks like someone pissed in your cheerios. This is not the place for this... in fact there isn't and shouldn't be a place for this. Jack? please close this.

According to uspcc the finish and card stock development of E custom decks belongs solely to Ellusionist the company. No other company or competitor will ever be able to release cards with E card stock or uv-500 finish unless permission is given by the standing owner of Ellusionist (which is...

My only problem with panic is that the spread seems a bit weird. Just not natural for me to spread cards like that. Although if done right the gimmick can be a good convincer. I still like the idea of using ghost AND panic in a routine. Maybe tho, panic might eventually work its way out of my...

I like your incorporation of both. also, I will eventually right a full review of the dvd. But it doesn't just teach ghost or "no gimmick panic". So the review will cover much more than that. I made this thread simply because I thought it was cool that david found and taught a way to...

I just got done watching David Stones "Real Secrets of Magic" Vol.1 and its really good. However, when I was watching it, he does a trick called "Ghost" in which a card is selected from a normal pack then replaced (in this case is was a 9). He tries to find the card and is wrong. Places the...

I wish I could disagree with this... I really am trying to. Sadly, alas I can not. ::sigh::

actually, Ammar DOES teach his routine AND Dai Vernon's routine in the second Vol. You need Vol 1 & 2... trust me. Get that and you don't need gazzo's dvd unless your going into busking professionally. Ammars Vol. 1 teaches you moves and some history, Vol.2 teaches advanced great moves...

I'm sorry, but that show was REALLY lame.

Michael Ammars complete cups and balls vol 1 & 2 DVD's are in my opinion the best thing out there for a cups and balls routine. If you really want a forum for this subject check the magic cafe > close up workers > ever so sleightly http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewforum.php?forum=115&29171

Well thats not fair to the rest of us is it? lol My question is, why didn't you take all the work you guys did with this deck the FIRST time? You made lofty statements about a product and it pooped out... thats ok, it happens. But don't be the slightest surprised when people (after spending...

well i WAS gonna buy 2 packs to try them... went through the whole process, but the stupid sites checkout section is so poorly made I just gave up with frustration. I would go through and fill it out then it said it failed due to no shipping option checked... but it never gave me an option! 3...

yea, me too... still waiting on the underground magic epicenter thing to happen. I don't know why people are so adamant about not letting others not finding this place... other than panic and gaurdian cards you can find EVERYTHING at other sites or stores... not much of a secret I guess.

yea, I think we all did... who knows maybe that part will start tomorrow?

If I personally attack you Andy, will this thread finally get closed? I might just do that and take a 30 day ban. You know, take one for the team. PLEASE CLOSE THIS. Oh, and jim... I laughed REALLY hard.

Newbies response: "Your a stupid-head... shut up!" Andy's response: "No, your a stupid-head... you shut up!" get it? geez

This thread alone shows why you were eventually banned... I cant believe it just keeps going... 7 freaking pages? seriously? MOD why has thou forsaken me? Please close this. That wasn't meant to be blasphemes... I wrote it and then found it really funny. I am a Christian and God has a sense...