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Oh, so you show them the switch very openly, than some kind of misdirection for the final move, and than the reveal? Sounds excellent. It really does sound (and look) like nothing has even happened.... YET.... great man, thanx. And also thanx for the compliment. I have this idea for the...

Ok guys, here it goes... I will describe the routine that I'm doing right now, which is kind of more important to me, than the trick we spoke of... And this is the situation when I sit at the table with spectators, in a coffee place, or library, or anywhere where i have a table. That is how I...

Wow, i don't know what to say, you were really great help guys. Thank you Morgician very much. The thing is, I used same patter and presentations when I showed same effect to my friends at my birthday party. And they loved it (the effect, I don't know about the patter), and they are still...

Yes, but he always says "Hey, can i show you something?" right away. He is not approaching them to be their friend...

But, with a deck of cards, at least you have a reason for approach. Even if they judge you, and think whatnot. And I'm ok with approach where you tell them that you are a magician, but you want to get to know them first... or something along those lines. But i think that people will judge me...

So, basically, you just go over at a table, with two or three people that are hanging out, and just say something like: "Hey, my name is *toyrobot*, whats up with you?" or "I heard you talk about nuclear physics, and i have an interesting theory... " Don't get me wrong, but i just want to...

But I find it more weirder if you approach a group of people, that have never seen you before, and don't know who you are, and just trying to talk to them, asking them questions... Maybe it's just me. I mean, if I was with my girlfriend, and some random guy comes and introduce himself, and...

Thanx TeeDee for the reply, i hear you loud and clear. Thank you too Praetoritevong. One of best reply I have red. Also, there is so much metaphor's and comparing, on these forums, but yours (with Pepsi an Magic), is by far the best. Thanx again for your reply.

There is this Magic Club that i go to every friday. There are some young magicians, but mostly older/more experienced ones. One of them even attended FISM. And i was showing them a trick from Paul Wilson and Lee Asher's On the Road, the one with 4 of a kind that turns out as a magicians mistake...

Yeah, i want to know that too... And also, I always read about how you need to approach your spectator, hide your props so that they don't know that you are a magician, than make them like you as a person before you whip out a deck of cards... So my question is this: You are sitting in a...

This paragraph explains your point more than all 4 pages of this thread together ;) And you are absolutely right. But according to this, there is not much that anyone can say. That is your opinion, and you are not attacking anybody, and i guess that everyone agrees with you. Just as I said...

@Prae: I totally agree that you can't (or it is very very VERY hard) to personalize Queens and TiVo. It is even harder to involve audience in it. But that is because D&D tricks are like that, just like you said earlier. I don't like their tricks either. But my guess is that tricks from TOoC are...

I just red every post in this thread, in one reading lol (no, i don't expect a cookie). I think the main problem of this thread, and the main reason for this many replies is that Praetoritewong didn't express himself well enough in his original post. He was contradictory to himself. First...

Yeah, i know how you did it. And you are right, it is misdirection ;) But i think, your biggest misdirection was bad lightning, which you did on purpose ;) Nice, well done ;)

The box was in front of the curtain the whole time...

I only have Benjamin Earl's DVD, but it is quite good... I never liked his teaching methods, but you can pick everything up. It is a great routine, and as said above, you can make your own from the moves he teaches you.

Wow, they are really really great. Good job. Keep 'em coming ;)

I added all of you guys to my MSN... Anyone who wants to add me, feel free to do it ;) xeqtr86@hotmail.com

Roxanne. Hell hell hell yeah :)

Have you ever seen anybody turn a card over like in Diving Board Double? Anywho, just like everyone said, it got boring to watch all those fans and dribbles and that long long long overhand shuffle... Just make it shorter... One cut, one shuffle, and that's it. The thing about double lift...