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Oh shut up! Huzzah!!!!!! *throws arms up in the air, letting it rain down the bloodied shoes of children past* Your correct Ethics can’t be measured, with that said it makes everything you have been debating not what your doing is not debating its just flat out arguing the same damn points...

So now by your logic we are Fed no matter what we do? Shizz then F ethics. *Goes to demonoid and types in Magic* *Rubs his head trying to rid his forehead, and don’t dignify yourself thinking you’re the one giving me it* Get off the plot and patter crap, your slinging it around like a...

Not going to answer those questions, they are terribly loaded and are about to burst. Besides the point you are trying to convey is incredibly irrelevant. But I will tell you this, both equally have tier own pros and cons. One if you pay for the effects you are paying the creator that is a...

*Gags and hurls his entire holiday meal into the toilet* I knew I shouldn't have eaten that last soul, it was so tainted with self righteousness. *sniffs reality one and runs back to the toilet* OH GOD, your worse then the one I ate last night! In case you missed the point of the...

Orly Ian, I thought the best post so far was your own. I guess you are trying to be noble but I have to nit pick a little. "So those magicians that sell magic for a LIVING (i.e. that's how they feed their families), don't deserve the money from you for the trick THEY created?" Where did he...

Well I would wish that someone else found the lamp and that person feels the un resistable urge to wish for whatever wishes I want. But if that wasn't an option, I would not go the "Bruce Almighty" route, and probably wish that someone would higher me. Then use the wishes as I see fit, probably...

Well you can do what you want, I can decide to replicate "Black Christmas" if I really wanted to. Some people's ethics and morals would be completely fine. I read early on that when you purchase an effect your purchasing the performance rights unless otherwise stated. If that is so who is to...

Razor blade illusion is good if you want to fill a stage, or look real flashy. I prefer to just do the razor effect, with the blades coming out of the container. http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?t=24375&highlight=razors This has a bit more information onto where you can acquire more...

Merry Christmas HO HO HO! I take one you get the other two Its not absurd to argue that figuring out someones effect will progress magic, what is absurd is completely dismissing the idea. Blah blah blah I blame you for laziness. That isn't true and quite insulting to magicians who do...

These are valid points scarecrow, if the person spent more then a couple of years perfecting an effect I am almost 99.9 percent positive they wouldn't put it out on the market that quickly. If they are working magicians professional, they would keep it to themselves and use it at paying gigs...

How is that stealing? If I use a dj mix and play it in my car with the windows rolled down and some passer buyer hears my mix of legally obtained music, am I stealing? If you are saying I figured out an effect using sensory obtained data, and imagination that it is completely fair game ie...

I think you are missing my point, this is your argument "Oh, those guys killed an old man the other day, I guess it's okay for me to do it too *kills old guy*" This is the point of the thread: "Oh those guys killed an old man the other day, *thinks about killing my old man blam right to...

Scarecrow, My conscious is perfect thank you, this debate isn't black and white its grey. Its probably one of the only actual grey areas of magic. Another thing is magicians have been studying and stealing other magicians work since the beginning of modern magic. Perfect example is the...

"I download a dvd. I put it on a disk. I erase the dvd without ever watching it. What exactly is being stolen? If nothing is being stolen, then exactly how does the theft take place and when can you call it theft? You must argue that it's the process of watching the dvd, that constitutes theft...

"Good tricks to do on girls" Well you can cheat literally on your girlfriend. Really you'd have to gauge what kind of girl it is and then go from there. Does she like adventure (geeky magic), is she a rebel biker chick (shock magic ie SAW), hopeless romantic type (produce a rose, with a...

There is also a method in the magazine "Magick" Bascom Jones which I believe dates all the above, and its the same effect. I believe the trick is in the magazine that was released closer to 1970.

Must maintain pg 13 enviorment............ *he looks to be in discomfort, trying to keep his giant sponge dong in pocket.*

aaang Wonderful post Chicken, This is only partially truth yet a point is made; when scientists share discoveries the science is pushed forward. Same goes with magic, a method is made and others see it then they go out and make the method better. This isn’t true, I mean look at the majority...

@.@ Its right in front of you, its the m5 system that is where you get it period.

What if you had the opportunity to become famous right now, have your own show, television, etc. would you do it? Answer truthfuly now, furthermore keep in mind what instant fame brought the man in the "Five Boons of Life" Mark Twain.