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the first one was ALOT like a thing D+M did on dangerous. The second one, try looking at card college i cant remember the book, but i nthe section of reverses, look at the okito box move, you will have a lot more success, and its cleaner too.

no they are not, they are close up, and sleight-of-hand dependant

im sixteen, go figure.

your right I see where both of you are coming from.

thats if he wants to do work outside of restuarants....

i guess if thats what you think its gotta be right.

ok? wordcount.

do they teach humor in this real world you speak of?

Basing card magic on the pass is not my theory, its Aaron Fishers, and it makes a lot of sense. generally speaking, even EASY coin magic is still much harder and more angly than even an intermediate card effect.

thank you. You do get work, and that is to be respected. But instead of criss angel influence, look at Dan and dave, and Daniel Madison. now theres someone all the tweens and teens want to be.

ok, nothing in partic. i get a few magic related gifts, but i dont have a dananddave shaped cake or smoke and mirrors as party banners.

exactly. You (draven) may be a good performer, but you are about as cliche as it gets. Dont judge others unless you want to be judged.

yeah but the cards or the mentalism IS NOT related in anyway to nature. The only truly good piece of magic ive ever seen with a leaf that was completely naturefied was leaf by paul harris. In it he pulls a leaf off the ground and puts it back on the plant!! And the leaf is signed. With his...

from the way your talking, i dont believe (coin or card magic) you have much down for audiences. Two to three days to perform three fry? Most all ungimmicked good coin magic you have to be a complete master at to get any sortof reaction at all. Card magic for most people: pick a card...

dude if thats the way you celebrate.... how old are you?

Ok the language was uncalled for, but so was your comment. Get to knoq someone before you judge them. @tumbleweed: i know where your coming from, but anyone willing to assume without knowledge first must not konw very much at all.

hey **** off man let him perform how he performs, you dont even know the guy. He asked a legit question and what did you have for him? bull**** man, just bull****. Stick to what you know.

if your soo proud of your double lift, get sankey stuff, he loves it too.

If you want to do a packet trick and are thinking about this and that, just do color monte. It adds money to the end for you to get some tips and is a lot better than this or that or whatever its called.

Well, when I first learned coin magic, i started in an old Henry Hay book entitled The Amueter (sp?) magician's handbook, and one of the first statements it said about coin magic was that it was the hardest to do and the least gratifying. But I think another big reason is that most of the...