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If you have Bobo, avoid the Ammar. Most, if not all the stuff in his video is rehashed Bobo. Between Roth and Stone, Roth wins out for educational value, but Stone wins out for entertainment. Stone wins.

I forget how to friend people, so that's your job... pal. Why isn't there a mentalists forum? I've been forced to lurk around the coin forum until one comes along

check out paul brook's "brook test"

If you recall DesTROYers is heavy on the gaffs. Bobos, in the beginning, stone- is there a whole lot of gaff routines in there? not a lot, so desTROYers would not be recommended unless the good sir buys quite a few good gaffs.

Flying wombat... just watch the video. the effect, in my opinion, is completely worth any work you have to do on it.

Well, one could answer this question the way the others are going about it, but I am going to answer it in a much more difficult way. What is "underground?" is it something that most people do not know about? is it something that most people don't do? Well in that case, this website...

Muscle pass can be used to give the illusion of a coin defying gravity or it can be used to secretly transfer a coin from one hand to another.

Good but the reset does seem a bit... "movey," especially if you do it as soon as the trick ends.

Look into the work of marc spelman. he has some good ones. Andrew Gerard also has "Psyche" out. http://www.penguinmagic.com/specialorderproduct.php?ID=10389

Okay, but the first one was a little unnatural. why would you take the quarter right off of the box when you put it there two seconds ago? Obviously, to do a "move." How is the last one a coin trick?

Sorax- sure you can do an "amazing performance," with some random assortment of vanishing and reappearing- but can you be remembered? can you emotionally touch the spectator, giving them an experience more than bewilderment? I'm going to say something quick to avoid having to...

Try down then up to produce the coin. it should be alot easier.

Nate- you could do the thing in a pillow factory and you wouldn't have to raise your voice. try it! Do pillow factories even exist?

a modern classic of mentalism is to find someone's zodiac sign. Banachek has a version that uses muscle reading.

Coin gimmicks "cleanify" an effect. it makes the spectator less suspicious of sleight of hand, and even the best sleight of hand is sometimes unable to imitate something that a shell can do. Why tire yourself learning a spellbound-display to deep backclip, or something impossible like that, when...

Placing the coin slightly to the right (or left, for left handers like me) is known as placing the coin in "Muscle Pass Classic Palm."

I saw that video a while ago. The routine was great, but the guy mumbled quite a bit.

For a cheap but good shell, go to Johnsons: http://www.stevensmagic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=4465 3Fly can be done with halves. Actually, I think it's easier to do it with halves close up. If you want to do 3Fly stage or parlour, dollars would be better.

Amane, i disagree with you here. There IS a such thing as your favorite vanish. You may have different favorite vanishes for different situations, but i believe most people still have one overall favorite vanish.

To DO it? 15 seconds. To do it WELL? Several months.