Gambler's Cop vs Bottom Palm

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Hey guys!
What move do you guys think is cleaner and/or easier - the cop or the bottom palm?

Also, which books feature these moves? I think I've seen them in the Royal Road, but can't remember.
 

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For me, Gambler's Cop is used to get it in the left hand and a bottom palm is used for the right hand. However, you can do a left hand bottom palm (a little knacky if you are right handed). The Gambler's Cop requires the deck to leave the left hand and a wrist kill / drop while you can bottom palm while retaining the deck in your left hand.

Your best source for Gambler's Cop and Bottom Palm is Card College, Volume 3 (which also has Vanni Bossi's Card in Glass). Additional sources are here: Gambler's Cop and Bottom Palm.
 
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For me, Gambler's Cop is used to get it in the left hand and a bottom palm is used for the right hand. However, you can do a left hand bottom palm (a little knacky if you are right handed). The Gambler's Cop requires the deck to leave the left hand and a wrist kill / drop while you can bottom palm while retaining the deck in your left hand.

Your best source for Gambler's Cop and Bottom Palm is Card College, Volume 3 (which also has Vanni Bossi's Card in Glass). Additional sources are here: Gambler's Cop and Bottom Palm.
I don't own anyof the books that the cop is described in (unless "action cop" is in RCT, but I think that is "Action Palm").
Do you know of any other place I can learn it - hopefully for free or cheap? I found a good tutorial on YouTube that wasn't at all the trashy stuff, but I'm still confused - I learned my cop from pictures in books and other tricks so I never quite knew if I'm doing it right (though according to the tutorial, it was basically on point).

Never bothered to learn a bottom palm, and specifically asked this to know if I should learn it! I'm going to lear it anyways ... eventually.
Thanks for the help!
 

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I don't own any of the books that the cop is described in (unless "action cop" is in RCT, but I think that is "Action Palm").

Do you know of any other place I can learn it - hopefully for free or cheap? I found a good tutorial on YouTube that wasn't at all the trashy stuff, but I'm still confused - I learned my cop from pictures in books and other tricks so I never quite knew if I'm doing it right (though according to the tutorial, it was basically on point).

Never bothered to learn a bottom palm, and specifically asked this to know if I should learn it! I'm going to lear it anyways ... eventually.
Thanks for the help!

Revolutionary Card technique goes into great detail on the cop and the palm. Marlo covers a bunch of versions. A cop can have more angle sensitivity, but the hand is generally more relaxed. A palm is more secure but the fingers are more confined (generally).

An action palm uses another action (fanning, shuffling) to obtain a palm. They are great because they provide the magician with built in misdirection. The way that the card is held in the hand may be unique to the action palm, or it can be more of a classical "palm". The same can be said about cops.

Marlo goes through some classical cops and palms as well as some funky variations. If they feel or look weird while you are reading, check them out in the mirror and try to turn your hand till it hides the cards a little better. Cops and palms can have funky angles. It's best to experiment to fine out how they are best viewed.

Both are moves that make many magicians blush :)
 
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Revolutionary Card technique goes into great detail on the cop and the palm. Marlo covers a bunch of versions. A cop can have more angle sensitivity, but the hand is generally more relaxed. A palm is more secure but the fingers are more confined (generally).

An action palm uses another action (fanning, shuffling) to obtain a palm. They are great because they provide the magician with built in misdirection. The way that the card is held in the hand may be unique to the action palm, or it can be more of a classical "palm". The same can be said about cops.

Marlo goes through some classical cops and palms as well as some funky variations. If they feel or look weird while you are reading, check them out in the mirror and try to turn your hand till it hides the cards a little better. Cops and palms can have funky angles. It's best to experiment to fine out how they are best viewed.

Both are moves that make many magicians blush :)
I feel like this book is increasing my magic knowledge exponentially, So glad I picked it up!
 
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I love the book, Marlo is my favorite card guy. I'm rereading it right now and blown away by the little gems I've missed in the past.
 
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I love the book, Marlo is my favorite card guy. I'm rereading it right now and blown away by the little gems I've missed in the past.
Note to self: When you are finished reading RCT, reread it.


Also, quick question - when getting the break for a cop on one - 4 or any small number of cards, should I use a pinky pull down, or a buckle? Does it matter?
 

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Note to self: When you are finished reading RCT, reread it.


Also, quick question - when getting the break for a cop on one - 4 or any small number of cards, should I use a pinky pull down, or a buckle? Does it matter?

I use a pinky pull down or an in-jog usually. Sometimes I will use a buckle. It depends on what is the most natural in the moment.
 
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