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The Guardians have a dirty little secret
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I agree with the original post
There are entirely too many fanboys on this forum. There's something insanely ironic about saying someone has too much time on their hands for posting this info on the forum, while that denigrator themselves is obviously just as consumed with cards if they're on this forum, posting replies.
That said, these cards handle BADLY. Clumping is a problem that affects most intricately printed cards (series 1800s, anyone???) and to say that these cards handle well means YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE :censored: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. This is like the kid with the '95 civic with an intake and exhaust system thinking his car is hot stuff because it beat his friend (who drives an old toyota with primer-colored ground effects)
Now- why is this relevant? Since most theory 11 n00bs can't even do a pressure fan, for magical purposes, these cards will be fine. And yes, they do have a cool , unique look to them.
But they handle BADLY. The "next printing" is STILL not going to fan as good as a $3 pack of blue bikes from walgreens. That means SERIOUS card handlers, that actually know what they're talking about know that this deck is a sub-par attempt at putting a shiny coat of hype on something that really won't work.
If theory 11 wants to make this right, and really live up to their hype, they would design a cool-looking graphic that can still be printed on the basic (REAL AIR CUSHION) presses. so they actually handle well.
There are entirely too many fanboys on this forum. There's something insanely ironic about saying someone has too much time on their hands for posting this info on the forum, while that denigrator themselves is obviously just as consumed with cards if they're on this forum, posting replies.
That said, these cards handle BADLY. Clumping is a problem that affects most intricately printed cards (series 1800s, anyone???) and to say that these cards handle well means YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE :censored: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. This is like the kid with the '95 civic with an intake and exhaust system thinking his car is hot stuff because it beat his friend (who drives an old toyota with primer-colored ground effects)
Now- why is this relevant? Since most theory 11 n00bs can't even do a pressure fan, for magical purposes, these cards will be fine. And yes, they do have a cool , unique look to them.
But they handle BADLY. The "next printing" is STILL not going to fan as good as a $3 pack of blue bikes from walgreens. That means SERIOUS card handlers, that actually know what they're talking about know that this deck is a sub-par attempt at putting a shiny coat of hype on something that really won't work.
If theory 11 wants to make this right, and really live up to their hype, they would design a cool-looking graphic that can still be printed on the basic (REAL AIR CUSHION) presses. so they actually handle well.
Lots of USPCC cards dont have copywrite sruff on the box.Yes most of them have some,but yet somehow you can't even see it while the box is closed,And suprisingly Recent studies have shown the copywrite signs on the box do not,infact make the cards better.Silly T11 people,what were they thinking.
I love how everyone is throwing such a big fit about this whole thing.
So he didn't like them, and the members at his IBM didn't either.
Oh shit, I think I hear the end of the world coming.
For God's sake, if you don't like the cards, then read the reviews, and make your own damn judgements, and be cautious and only buy 1 or 2 decks, try them out and see how you like them.
If you like them, then buy more (too late now, you'll have to wait).
If you don't like them, T11 has a return policy does it not? And if they won't take cards back, then you've learned a lesson, lost 10 dollars or so, and know better next time.
It's not like buying a deck of cards that you ended up hating is going to kill you.
And that's my 2 cents.
So he didn't like them, and the members at his IBM didn't either.
Oh shit, I think I hear the end of the world coming.
For God's sake, if you don't like the cards, then read the reviews, and make your own damn judgements, and be cautious and only buy 1 or 2 decks, try them out and see how you like them.
If you like them, then buy more (too late now, you'll have to wait).
If you don't like them, T11 has a return policy does it not? And if they won't take cards back, then you've learned a lesson, lost 10 dollars or so, and know better next time.
It's not like buying a deck of cards that you ended up hating is going to kill you.
And that's my 2 cents.
I was just joking around I didn't take this guy serious at all.I even laughed at some parts while reading his post.
Here's the thing, this was a review, no different from a positive review, just a different emotion regarding the cards. He is entitled to his opinion and his review is his review. I don't own a pack of Guardians so I can't compare thoughts, but I am still going to pick up a few packs in the future because that is my desire. This review hasn't changed my thoughts.
Mitchell
Mitchell
I know, I was targeting anyone specifically in that post, just addressing the general vibe I was getting from all of the posts.
I remain impartial to either side of the arguement until I receive mine. That said, many valid points are brought up in the original post, though most of them are turned away by a simple "Thats your opinion". Although by the sounds of it I am going to want a thicker stock, because I hate the thinner stock.
If you guys are unsatisfied with guardians, stop using them but regular bikes instead, or maybe your favourite E cards...
We shouldnt criticise but to wait for the 2nd edition, better quality stock, promised by t11 team
We shouldnt criticise but to wait for the 2nd edition, better quality stock, promised by t11 team
@ trashmanf : Funny stuff man, lol. True, but funny.
Why does everyone seem so anxious to defend a simple deck of cards?
Here's what I think. I think a lot of you got caught up in the hype, saw some COOL CARDS, and spent your savings buying them, well, now you're stuck with 6 decks of them. I see posts here all the time saying "I bought 10 decks!!" ect. Why would you do this??? I read the reviews for this stuff with an open mind, but in the end the only persons review I will be happy with is MY OWN, and I sure as heck don't need half a dozen decks to tell if they are good or not.
Why does everyone seem so anxious to defend a simple deck of cards?
Here's what I think. I think a lot of you got caught up in the hype, saw some COOL CARDS, and spent your savings buying them, well, now you're stuck with 6 decks of them. I see posts here all the time saying "I bought 10 decks!!" ect. Why would you do this??? I read the reviews for this stuff with an open mind, but in the end the only persons review I will be happy with is MY OWN, and I sure as heck don't need half a dozen decks to tell if they are good or not.
Bull****. Criticism is how progress is motivated.
The reason I spend so little time here compared to other forums is because of this attitude I see so prevalent in this review that seems to dictate that any reaction to a dissenting voice has to be handled with more defensive hostility than Tom Cruise at a gay porn convention.
IDK...I like them. I just recieved the 6 additional decks I already ordered. So yea, I'm good. I mainly just ordered them to get a few first edition decks for my personal collection. Never to sell, because they probably wouldn't go for more than $15 anyhow. LOL!
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Steve
Best.
Steve
Because if you buy a pack of 12 and someone explains why they are junk... people get mad at the truth giver because it was a bad money move... lesson: Buy a pack or two give it a go and then go back ONLY if it meets the standard set by the company from the beginning. Which in this case didn't. I don't mean that rudely but if your honest with yourself you shouldn't be mad at me for the post... be mad at the product and that moment when you choose to put in your credit card number.
-Spinn
Hmm... Theorticly they weren't lying when they said this, i mean it is a new level of quality and intricacy. They just never said it was better.
I don't really have a proper say in the matter because i have never felt one and was waiting for them to release later revamped editions. However, I found your review quite helpful whether it be truthful or just a biased opinion. It seems your one of the few who realize the hype generated by the contest was huge and may have caused alot of people to purchace irrationally. I was about to buy 3 Guardians, Distortion, and Panic but caught myself and made sure i waited for the reviews to flood in.
I find your review thought out and similar to many other complaints. I have also seen many reviews praising the cards and find many of them indepth as well. I commend you for standing by your discoveries in front of all these people just bashing on you (i know some of you arn't and giving logical explinations as well, and i think that is exactly what should be going on).
To all of those posting "z0mg he has lyke, no lyfe."* Seriously. Take a step back, he took his time to review product whether it was good or bad. This influances future buyers to either buy the product, wait for an upgrade, or just to completely walk away from it. He is not one of the many going "These cards are awesome looking and amazing 10000/10"* and thats it. He has valid complaints/concerns, not just "After i wet the cards by spilling water on them they don't fan well so they arn't worth buying"*. I'm sorry if you can't appriciate that.
Note I do not mean to offend anyone but I find it inferiorating when you just bash on people that used their time for the benifit of the community just because you don't agree with them. Calling someone a no life can be hurtful and its just plain rude.
-D Flo
*Dramatized (Over Dramatic)
Ahhh, like other forums that tell you you're a bad performer because you think King Rising is impractical? Or when you say that the Axis change is angly as hell, it's because you suck? Or when you say Infusion is a famous sleight by David Williamson, they say nope? Or when they nazi-edit your posts until only what they want you to see is left?
I love well structured reviews. Negatives and positives, they all help. They tell me what to pick up and what not to. But obviously biased opinions from E fanboys don't really cut it for me. So until people learn how to get their point across without sounding like a whiny little brat, why should his judgement be taken seriously?
yea ok, im pretty much done with this site and this forum, blow your money on whatever you want, follow hype like sheep because someone told you to. Im outta here and im sure there's plenty that wont miss me. im sorry for the hard feelings, it wasn't my intentions to start out like this. I bought a product and really looked into it and was disappointed, I wrote a review and was torn asunder by people who actually work here... with my personality thats just fuel to the fire i guess. so i started looking for problems (your right there). it really bugged me when dana hacked his way through my complaints disproving them and then T11 says they are fixing the problems with the 2nd run. sure i made some negative posts, but no one gave me reason to even be positive here, mods didnt do jack if someone cussed at me or belittled my opinion and it just furthered this frustration. I shouldn't have started looking for problems and complaining and i can admit that i did just that. call me frustrated, ripped off, or down right disappointed in the lack of professionalism here. Frankly i shouldn't have been aloud to get away with some of the stuff i said, although many said much worse. So heres my final statement to the T11 guys: Please get better control of your forum, and really consider the statements you are making about your products that you sell, they are not bad but they can never live up to what you are saying. you have my apologies for my previous posts. although many points i feel were valid, perhaps better wording could have been used to come off on a better foot. I hope someone that reads this can understand that this is not just a "fan boy" post and that I really mean what i said. There is potential here, but its getting smothered. I hope the best for you and I hope you understand everything I said above. I just guess this isn't the right place for me.
-Spinn
-Spinn
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I'm going to trust you to be smart enough to figure out what I mean.
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