I was under the impression that as magicians we share a common goal: of providing moments of astonishment for those with whom we share magic.
I believe in a "fraternity" of magicians, into which one would be initiated by proving oneself. Within, there would be no "secrets."
Keeping secrets among magicians is only necessary if you want to try to be "better" than another magician. Which has become an unhealthy, ego-filled competition.
Of course on the internet it is impossible to tell who is who, and so I don't believe in sharing methods on the internet, except through the purchase of downloadables- what Ellusionist and Theory11 do. But person to person, I think that it is perfectly acceptable, and would encourage it.
It is of note that copying a DVD is an entirely different story. That is illegal. But two people can sit in the same room and watch it at the same time, can they not?
The Wind Wizard and wavehead 15 said:I was under the impression that as magicians we share a common goal: of providing moments of astonishment for those with whom we share magic.
I believe in a "fraternity" of magicians, into which one would be initiated by proving oneself. Within, there would be no "secrets."
Keeping secrets among magicians is only necessary if you want to try to be "better" than another magician. Which has become an unhealthy, ego-filled competition.
Of course on the internet it is impossible to tell who is who, and so I don't believe in sharing methods on the internet, except through the purchase of downloadables- what Ellusionist and Theory11 do. But person to person, I think that it is perfectly acceptable, and would encourage it.
It is of note that copying a DVD is an entirely different story. That is illegal. But two people can sit in the same room and watch it at the same time, can they not?
i couldnt agree more with what you said here. you and i think exactly the same way. I believe that we are all on the same team (which we are) and that we work as a team to help everyone out.
it is us against the laymen and in order for us to win, we (should) work together to become the best at our art as possible.
Its like owning a movie and having a party to watch that movie. Same concept. You have it, your friend wants to watch it, and it is up to you whether you let them or not. There isn't a problem with the law or anything else unless you get the DVD pirated off line. Then you are under the risk of having to pay thousands of bucks in fines.
In my opinion, magicians can share as many secrets with each other as they want to as long as they are both OK with it. If magicians didn't do that, we wouldn't have some of the great magicians that we have today. Magicians should definitely keep the secrets from laymen, but if they genuinely know the person and trust that they will do well with the effect, they can loan the DVD all they want. Its all a matter of trust and experience.
i couldnt agree more with what you said here. you and i think exactly the same way. I believe that we are all on the same team (which we are) and that we work as a team to help everyone out.
it is us against the laymen and in order for us to win, we (should) work together to become the best at our art as possible.
i couldnt agree more with what you said here. you and i think exactly the same way. I believe that we are all on the same team (which we are) and that we work as a team to help everyone out.
it is us against the laymen and in order for us to win, we (should) work together to become the best at our art as possible.
That's the problem. I didn't want to let him have it.
Great! Then everything that I said before played out. You made a choice and he might not like it, but as stated before, you payed the $50 for the DVD. You guys should really work this out though because there is no reason to get worked up over a $50 DVD. Magicians working together is more important than $50. Even if you dont want to share secrets, but just tips about performance and things you learned that is totally fine too. Just dont get all ticked at each other for something so little. Make sense?
Yeah, but you don't know the full story. It's not that little. That guy is not to be trusted. I wouldn't even call him a magician. All he does is illegally download it from the internet, buy the dvds, make a copy, then take them back. I've also think he just does it to get girls attention. Read my first post on this thread for most of the story. This guy tried to destroy all my work.
Yeah I read it. And its becuase of that reason, that you think he's not a mature magician and is not worth lending your DVD to, that you didn't. It was obviously a good call on your part!
zeedub 81 said:Why thank you. Finally someone who understands.
Look at this:
Revealing secrets of another magicians work is unethical, dishonest and wrong.
The disagreement is driven by greed, not a sense of right and wrong.
So it really comes down to a character issue. What kind of person do you want to be?"
If I don't want to let you have my dvd, I don't have to give it to you. Why should I let you have my dvd if you're just going to hack my youtube, website, and give my videos bad ratings if I don't give it to you? The point is, I can't even risk associating myself with you. I don't know what you would do. You get jealous so you try to destroy my stuff. And you're one to call me "not a half-decent person." Jeez.
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That's the problem. I didn't want to let him have it.