Jerry's Nuggets Question

Sep 5, 2007
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theyre really hard to break in
but really good once you do
theyre also only coated on one side
hope that helps
 
I'm pretty sure they're just regular bicycle stock, but I have no clue what the finish is. Maybe it's also just air-finish. The reason why they're hard is because maybe they've gotten like that over time.
 
No one can be sure exactly what the stock is (even the box doesn't say) but I am quite certain that they are neither Linoid nor Air-Cushion finished.

The reason I say this is because if you take a card with any of the above finishes, and look at them closely whilst angled against the light, you see hundreds of small "bubbles" - or "dimples" as some may say. You find this with almost all common cards now, but the Jerry's/Golden Nuggets have nothing of this kind, which leads me to believe they are not the usual finish.

I could be wrong, but my observation and intuition tells me so. :)

Jordan
 
Sep 1, 2007
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No one can be sure exactly what the stock is (even the box doesn't say) but I am quite certain that they are neither Linoid nor Air-Cushion finished.

The reason I say this is because if you take a card with any of the above finishes, and look at them closely whilst angled against the light, you see hundreds of small "bubbles" - or "dimples" as some may say. You find this with almost all common cards now, but the Jerry's/Golden Nuggets have nothing of this kind, which leads me to believe they are not the usual finish.

I could be wrong, but my observation and intuition tells me so. :)

Jordan

That was my logic as well.
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Guys, you've got to remember that these cards were printed a while ago on different machines and paper than they use today. This is what gives them the unique feel. The paper used in those days actually contains wax, which gives them the smooth feel. This is at least what I've heard.
 

ChrisKenner

theory11 artist
Aug 31, 2007
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Lee Asher talked to someone at USPCC a while back and he got the low down. I will PM him and see if he will give you the 411.

Chris
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Quoted from the Dan and Dave forums:

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Here's a smart way to get rid of all the Jerry's Nugget threads around here; making more of them. No seriously, here's some information on these both loved and hated cards.

1. These cards are the bright blue and red backed cards with the oil towers, named Jerry's Nugget Cards, after the Jerry's Nugget casino, who by the way stopped printing them long ago.

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2. They are waaaay too expensive, reaching over $100 a deck.

3. The place you will most likely get them is at eBay.com, or you might get lucky and come over some deal somewhere.


Also, here are some thoughts about them from Mike_Shots on these boards:

Uggh... stupid Jerry's mystique...

The first thing you need to understand, is that these cards are very overhyped... Bobby seems to believe they live up to it though... I'd be curious as to whether he likes the Tahoes better, anyway...

The reason people liked Jerry's Nugget cards so much back when they were cheap as hell, like $1 a deck, is for a number of reasons. First of all, they were printed on very stiff stock, almost carta mundi stiff. Stiffness not only means that it's, well, stiff, but that it's also very durable, which means it lasts a long time. You know that period of time when you get a deck well worn in, and it's just really really nice? That period of time with a deck of stiffer cards is much longer.
Second, they were/are a very thin deck of cards. Contrary to what Ellusionist believes, thick is not better. A thinner deck is alot easier to play with, whether it be flourishes or magic. It seems like almost an oxymoron to have a thin, and very stiff deck of cards, but it was evidently possible.

Third, they had a very unique finish on them. It's nothing like the air cushion on bicycle cards, because you can't really see the dimples, they're more like aladdins in that they're smooth. The cards don't fan well at times, and have a tendency to clump up after a long use, which is bad, but the finish has it's positive points too. The cards stay very square, it's not like a bicycle deck where cards get really bent up, and if you relax your grip and look at the side of the deck, it's not really square. Jerry's stay nice and crisp.

Fourth, and most polarizing is the back design. They're a really striking blue or red almost all over. No complicated scrollwork on these, just a very plain, bold colored back. Some love it, some hate it. They show up really well on film, which is why the Buck twins decided to use them on the System... that and those are their favorite cards.

Anyway, they also have their downsides. 1) they're a bitch to break in 2) after a long session, they clump up alot and are really sticky 3) they don't fan very well until they're really good and softened up. 4) Sometimes they're almost too stiff 5) Chances are nowadays that if you pick up a deck, it'll be pretty old, so the cards will be REALLY warped, which can help you sometimes (natural breaks and the like) But fuck you over at other times.


Long story short, they're really good cards, that were given a really good reputation, and were supremely hyped.

The reason they can't replicate the stock is also kind of a long issue.
1)The machinery they use to produce all their cards is different. From the way they make the paper, to the dyes they cut with, the finish has a different composition now, things like that.
If you take a look at a deck of Tally-ho's for example, and you riffle the corner, you'll notice that the back seems to move around the edge, because they're not printed on the center of the card. They used to print on a press, now they roll them by on lines.

2) The USPCC doesn't want to. As a market, magicians are a small group to begin with, there are MAYBE 45,000-50,000 magicians in the US. The US playing card company sold 120 mllion decks of cards in whatever year Steve Forte made the gaming protection series, and your average joe who goes and buys a deck of cards doens't really care about the stock. The number of magicians is small already, the number of magicians who know and care about Jerry's Nugget's is a fraction of that.

I'm sure if you really tried, like got the patent numbers of the finish and machinery the USPCC used that year, you could get Jerry's reprinted for some ridiculous price, but sell them for $20 a deck and still make a profit.

There was discussion a long time ago about the Buck twins getting their own deck printed, but it's simply too expensive, although I don't doubt for a second they'd make it all back.

Food for thought.

That's about it.
 
Sep 2, 2007
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Why do they look plastic coated? What is the finish?

The color is just shiny. and JESUS all cards are plastic coated Oh my god,they just put a finish ON THE PLASTIC.

Yes jerry's are plastic coated.But so are

Bikes
Tallys
Goldens
GUARDIANS
Hoyles
EVERYTHING

BTW if you get a deck of jerry's or goldens there almost always in good condition because there duarable.
Age doesnt alway warp cards.And Age makes cards better.
 

Vinnie C.

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Aug 31, 2007
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Jerry's DO have a bit of a plasticy feel, and stop working for fans after a bit of use. I've heard that they get better for fans when you break them in, but I've been using a deck of Jerry's for probably over 6 months, and it never got better for fanning, except once, but that was because I let it sit in a cool, dark place for a kind of long time, and the fanning ability only lasted briefly.

-Vince
 
Sep 1, 2007
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Want a stiff, clumpy, deck, just find an antique one that's been sitting in anyone's attic for a long time.

CardConjurer hooked me up some ancient aviators and they are stiff, thin, and keep square all the time. I think a big part of the 'nug craze (besides fanboyism) is just that they handle different coz they're old.
 
I think the best way to define this, is it's like good wine - age creates the quality. I have no doubts that this is what is happening when Jerry's Nuggets are in the question, cause boy do they handle nicely. Despite, I wouldn't say they are the best decks out there; but definitely one of the most sought after.

Jordan
 
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