I don't mind though, when I get round to selling mine, I'm definately going to take advantage of exactly that kind of stupidity,
That's right...and so long as there are guys like dragon around..you'll always have a sucker.
I don't mind though, when I get round to selling mine, I'm definately going to take advantage of exactly that kind of stupidity,
If the person buying them thinks they're worth $50, then yes I do.
I don't buy that in this case, since there is nothing to compare prices of Jerry Nuggets to. Surely you think they're worth more than the $1 they used to be sold for purely on the fact that they are discontinued. How much more is decided by the buyers, and all the buyers have to go on is what they are told and previous amounts the decks have been auctioned off for. There's no magazine, no where to check on the amount of decks in circulation, nothing. Since there is no single entity deciding the values (except baller declaring they're only worth 50 cents), the values are whatever the potential buyer decides.And this idea, if someone thinks something is worth something then its intrinsically worth it is exaclty the kind of mark boy mentality that these scams play on. In fact its the basis of every con in existance, what someone perceives something to be worth being the basis of the price.
If someone is truly happy with their purchase, how are they not getting value for their money? Remember, it's your opinion they're being scammed, they might have a completely different outlook.I don't mind though, when I get round to selling mine, I'm definately going to take advantage of exactly that kind of stupidity, but I won't do so believing I'm giving true value for moey.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but that made absolutely no sense. The number of decks in circulation and the amount of "marks" there are are completely independent of each other. Jerry Nuggets are the prime example of this! The amount in circulation is way more than the average person thinks yet the amount of marks is still high.If trends in card price say anything its that prices of cards only inflate so far before they level based on the number of decks in circulation, a trend that's been in existance with Nuggets for a while, so bottom line is, the world is running out of marks to sell these cards to.
They won't necessarily be worth more just because they're rare. I could have one deck of cards with a picture of a turd on the back printed and sold on ebay, but it doesn't mean it will go for millions of dollars, even if I trademarked the design so people couldn't just have their own printed. Demand is the primary cause of price fluctuation, not supply.There are a LOT of these decks available and you can get spectacularly rarer decks for less, that will be worth significantly MORE in the future. White cents being a prime example. You can still pick up a deck of them for less than 150, and they only printed 1100 of them, and when Theory 11 has inevitably gone bust, or blown up (it'll do one or the other) they'll become worth even more again..
Oh gee, thanks for telling me I've been wasting my timeAnd Jerry's are ugly as ****, lol, period. Their real value, isn't how they look, or handle, its to the collector as cards that are no longer in production.
That's right...and so long as there are guys like dragon around..you'll always have a sucker.
They say you know you have someone up against a wall in a debate when their only response consists of kicking, whining and screaming...Then you're the type of person that I was referring to that is stupid enough to buy into the hype; easily to manipulate and blinded by the magic of marketing.
Dragon...I suggest you find another avenue to gain some self worth rather than get them from some plastic cards so the kiddies on youtube can say, "oh wow..you have Jerrys...you must be a serious magician". lol
True.They say you know you have someone up against a wall in a debate when their only response consists of kicking, whining and screaming...
I don't buy that in this case, since there is nothing to compare prices of Jerry Nuggets to. Surely you think they're worth more than the $1 they used to be sold for purely on the fact that they are discontinued. How much more is decided by the buyers, and all the buyers have to go on is what they are told and previous amounts the decks have been auctioned off for. There's no magazine, no where to check on the amount of decks in circulation, nothing. Since there is no single entity deciding the values (except baller declaring they're only worth 50 cents), the values are whatever the potential buyer decides.
If someone is truly happy with their purchase, how are they not getting value for their money? Remember, it's your opinion they're being scammed, they might have a completely different outlook.
Once again, this perception of rarity, or a special history is because someone bought up 40,000 decks of these cards. The magic community did the rest, guaranteeing his investment.They won't necessarily be worth more just because they're rare. I could have one deck of cards with a picture of a turd on the back printed and sold on ebay, but it doesn't mean it will go for millions of dollars, even if I trademarked the design so people couldn't just have their own printed. Demand is the primary cause of price fluctuation, not supply.
They say you know you have someone up against a wall in a debate when their only response consists of kicking, whining and screaming...
Demand is the primary cause of price fluctuation, not supply.
I'll believe it when I see it. Just knowing the amount of Jerry Nuggets in circulation doesn't translate directly into a price either, it can just debunk the idea that these cards are rareIt is a total myth that 'no one knows how many Jerry's nuggets are in circulation' in fact its open source information. Sure the exact figure is unknown, but that's true of any product that is not being produced, but there are a number of extremely credible ball park figures
That's ********. Someone who wants to use Jerry's as a serious investment might seek out these $30 nuggets. Someone who wants Jerry's in huge bulk might seek out $30 nuggets. But someone who wants a few decks for personal use is not going to look under every manhole in New York City to find the one with the underground dealer. They'll use the internet and either accept the prices and buy, screw the idea, or just wait and hope they go down.Also, the type of person that buys these cards form E-bay or Lee Asher is not a real 'potential buyer'. They are a mark.
I'm not that impressed, seeing decks were going for $30 on ebay only as little as 5 years ago and going for a $1.50 10 years ago...A friend of mine has probably in the order of 5 bricks of genuine nuggets that he's amassed over the years and he has -never- paid more than $30 bucks for a deck of them, ever. It could be he's a serious card collector that knows other serious card collectors and thus isn't dependent on the general market (e-bay or various crappy sites) for his Nuggets..
A simple question, if this market that you're talking about is so accessible, why isn't everyone flocking to it? I'm sure people would rather pay $30 than $150.See there are really 2 markets at work here, the one that you are a part of clearly that believes the b/s, and pays whatever someone else in that same bracket of ignorance tells them to pay. then there is the collectors market, people like, Lee in all probability, who in no way shape or form paid anywhere -near- that amount for the cards. If he can obtain them for no more than 30 bucks a deck, why can't you? Is it that he has access to a magical market? NO. It's becacuse he is part of the market that exists for those in the know. So are these cards worth 150 bucks to a serious collector? NO. Are they worth it to Lee? NO.
If they were looking for snake oil and they're happy with it they haven't been scammed. If the snake oil has actually helped them, then no they haven't been scammed.Are you serious? So someone buying snake oil, if they're happy with their snake oil hasn't been scammed? That is utter nonsense. They've still been scammed, its just a really good SCAM.
No, this isn't a marathon, it's a message board. I made one post directed at him and was met with "pig ignorance" as I do not and have never owned a deck of Jerry Nuggets. I just don't believe anyone who has typed "Jerry Nuggets" in the search bar at ebay belongs in an insane asylum.Have you ever considered that what you're seeing is exasperation that the people you are trying to explain basic historical fact to are just too pig ignorant to believe it?