Hi guys, I know this is a controversial topic with no ultimate right answer, because it differs from person to person, depending on several factors, the most obvious being, of course, how much time you spend practicing it. However, I'd be interested in what time you think one needs to perfect his or her false deals. It would be great if you could give different time spans for seconds, bottoms etc. Again, I'm not looking for the "right" answer, but I'd be interested in any rule of thumb or guidelines you have found to be accurate. I'm pretty sure that Jason England will be quoted in his thread. I am aware of his rule of thumb: "Two years if you do 1000 bottoms a day; if you do 200 bottoms a day ~8 years." (To be found in another thread on the forum.) However, I have seen amazing bottoms from people with far less than two years of practice, and incredibly obvious bottoms by people with years and years, sometimes decades, of practice. I'm sure there's a lot of truth in his statement, but I'd be interested in your opinions as well, as well as your personal experience. To make things easier, let's talk about the practice time from the moment you found "your" false dealing method onward, not counting the weeks or months of trying out different methods. Looking forward to your answers!